Deleted User wrote: » And.. I grew up in Athlone in the 70s/80s, and spent a fair bit of time in both Longford, Mullingar, and Roscommon. Later, I lived in Tipperary, and Limerick. Plenty of experience with Travellers throughout my youth and adulthood. Most of it was actually quite neutral since my family (as teachers) were well respected by most of them. Went to school with them, had my share of fights with them, and got pissed drunk/stoned with a variety of them. I've also taught them, myself, as part of adult literacy courses. Some are great, many are little different from other Irish people, and quite a few should never be allowed outside of a jail cell. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make... beyond perhaps the suggestion that since some are fine, the remainder shouldn't be judged? That we should simply support that culture because some turned out okay, in spite of all the odds stacked against them in doing so?As a culture, Traveller culture shouldn't be supported, and should be allowed to fade away, because without government supports, it's simply not viable for success in a modern nation. As a people, Travellers themselves, should be encouraged to move away from that culture and embrace the same modern culture we all live in... again.. without the expectation that others will continue to bail them out for their chosen lifestyle. (I know a few successful Travellers who have split from the pack.. so there is a choice involved, and they're not completely stuck in living a certain way).
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » If I go on holiday to Spain and get a tan am I a different person?
bubblypop wrote: » You cannot leave what you are born into. You know that. It's not a group meeting at the scout hall. If you are born a traveller, then you are a traveller. No matter what you do in life. Whether they get educated and settle down with a job, or stay living in a halting site, they are still travellers.
yaknowski wrote: » Tis ulitmately about cheap labour for business isn't it. Drove down to McDonalds for some breakfast. Three Mid-40s South-Asian lads sitting outside in their cars waiting for delivery. Good luck to them earning a crust, but really it's only for big business' benefit and the taxpayer is on the hook for the rest of the costs associated with living here.
bubblypop wrote: » From your wiki link 'The centuries of separation has led to Travellers becoming genetically distinct from the settled Irish.'
Mad_maxx wrote: » travellers are only a different race within a political and cultural context , its not like a nigerian choosing to be no longer african or at least black
bubblypop wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-community-study-rcsi-3231070-Feb2017/https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515
[Deleted User] wrote: » No they're not. If they have an Irish Clan name they are not even if they have a handful of oddballs within their number.
bubblypop wrote: » You better tell these guys then, Prof Gianpiero Cavalleri, who conducted the study with colleagues at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland and the University of Edinburgh.
Deleted User wrote: » If they are called O'Donovan as an example and many of them are then they are descended from one of the septs of the O'Donovan Clan. It is as simple as that.
Deleted User wrote: » Nope. Now, consider the context of Bubblypops posts, and my own responses for the last two pages. Rather than giving examples, and details that have no bearing on the discussion.Although, if you're interested in continuing the infantile understanding that's happened so far, count me out.
TomTomTim wrote: » I said it elsewhere, but both sides of my family, who come from Donegal, share surnames with traveller families. I'm sure there has to be some connection, as I doubt it's a pure coincidence that we share the same surnames.
Deleted User wrote: » If you are Irish then you've got a Clan name not a conventional surname.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I find the claims that Travellers are genetically distinct from the rest of the Irish as an insult to Science.
bubblypop wrote: » Again, you should tell these guys, Prof Gianpiero Cavalleri, who conducted the study with colleagues at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland and the University of Edinburgh.
Deleted User wrote: » Are ya now or are you just a blow in and new to the parish for the last couple of hundred years?
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Are you saying I'm not Irish? My birth cert and that of all my line as far back as Irish records go says I'm Irish so just shut the fúck up with your actual shít talk! A name is a collection of letters nothing more!
biko wrote: » It' easy to see that Travellers have genetically split from the general Irish population. They have been marrying other travellers and their cousins for generations which keep their genepool small and getting smaller. Up to 40 per cent of all marriages involving Travellers are between first cousins.https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/almost-two-in-every-five-traveller-marriages-are-between-cousins-26231063.html
Deleted User wrote: » There are multiple genetic projects ongoing for various family names. If you want to stop cursing at me and submit your DNA to some of them you should be able to determine which part of the country you originate from e.g. Cashel or up north associated with the O'Neills. You can't care that much if you haven't bothered to compare your DNA to any of these various DNA projects. It isn't that expensive and you can make a best guess as to where you think you come from to narrow it down and cost less. If these results are good enough for the FBI to steal their data they should be good enough for you.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » You said if your Irish you have a clan name. I do not. Am I Irish and was your statement false?
Arthur Daley wrote: » Sometimes I do wonder does anybody tell the migrants 'you're here to pay for our pensions'. And are the migrants fully on board with this plan.
Deleted User wrote: » That is like saying a Manx cat isn't a house cat. It may be breeding generation after generation in Isolation but breeding outside of its genepool would do it a power of good.
Deleted User wrote: » You have admitted that your given surname is a collection of letters. If you are Irish then somebody in history cast aside their clan name. Do you care to find out where you originate from. The tools are there to do it.
biko wrote: » It's a development thing. Peoples in MENA also marry their cousins with potential catastrophic results. Marriage between first cousins more than doubles the chance of having a baby with potentially life-threatening birth defects. That's why most western countries gave it up over a hundred year ago, and even if it's legal some places still it's very much frowned upon.
biko wrote: » It's a development thing. Peoples in MENA also marry their cousins with catastrophic results. Marriage between first cousins more than doubles the chance of having a baby with potentially life-threatening birth defects. That's why most western countries gave it up over a hundred year ago, and even if it's legal some places still it's very much frowned upon.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » I said all names are a collection of letters. not mine ALL My name is not an Irish clan name it has been written in recorded Irish records for the past several hundred years. Did it originate here most likely not. Does that make me less Irish?
Deleted User wrote: » You can deal with your own existential crisis. I'm not here to give you a sense of identity. Analyse your DNA and get over it.
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