poker--addict wrote: » Hi Vic, it’s not my view, simply the argument that will be used to avoid investing the required cash. We can’t get a train to the airport let alone navan!!
Vic_08 wrote: » Well, you said it. If you want to present someone else's view then there are various ways to articulate that, you didn't utilise any of them. The argument (whoever it is that is saying it) that Navan/Dunsaughlin doesn't generate much public transport use is simply not true, Navan road BE routes have been rammed in peak hours for decades. Not to mention the utter sh!t show the roads are with car commuters. The idea that Navan wouldn't justify a rail link is a crock, it would instantly be busier than many existing rail lines in the country. I just had a good laugh reading the fantasy put out by those loo-laas wanting to have the state invest in resuming rail traffic on the south Wexford line, their argument included that route having a similar number of buses in a week that the N3 corridor generates in 2 peak hours.
cgcsb wrote: » There a real institutional anti rail sentiment in Ireland which is strange because we never had the 'benefits' of the marshel plan and parts of Europe that did seem to have the opposite attitude, a bit of a paradox really. The criteria used by the consultants who carry out the feasibility studies are of course lead to the answer the client wants, directly or indirectly. It's just up to them to crunch the numbers to justify it or not. That's why you get basically no new rail routes in the country. There is of course a very real and strong case for rail to Navan, the biggest technical problem is providing sufficient rail capacity for Navan trains on the Dublin end. Of course trains would be wedged from it's opening. We have never over provided public transport so I don't know why there's such a great fear of it happening. If we do over-provide public transport someday, give it 5 years and it'll be heaving. This project isn't just about Navan either, Dunshaulin, Ratoath and Ashourne are all significant commuter settlements. Also lots of connecting potential for onward journeys to Trim, Kells, Cavan etc. for those that don't want to brave the traffic in Phibsboro. Navan isn't alone in this, there is also plenty of justification for restoring rail to southwest county Cork, that line was actually turning a profit when they ripped it up in in 1961. There's also considerable demand for Derry-Letterkenny journeys, and Cork-Limerick journeys but just no investment offered. There isn't even a decent Naas-Sallins shuttle service.
end of the road wrote: » it was apparently the tramore line that was making a profit when they ripped it up rather then west cork. west cork was supposebly losing 20000 £ a year (granted, that was according to CIE) yet, they did it up just before closure.
cgcsb wrote: » If you look at how chockers the N71 is all of the time now, it's clear it was very short sighted. It must have surely seemed short sighted at the time. Kinsale is also fairly chockers.
poker--addict wrote: » Meath Co Council running a survey now. link below.https://www.meath.ie/council/news/phase-2-navan-rail-line-resisdents-survey
ncounties wrote: » Here's hoping if it goes ahead, they see sense and go with Option 2.
ncounties wrote: » Because the station in Option 1 would be here, 2.5km as the crow flies or 3.2km using the available roads/pavements from the centre of the villiage. Option 2 will actually be close to the village and be of more benefit to those in Ratoath as well.
stop wrote: » Diagram showing "Clonsilla to Pace line under construction" says a lot about Meath County Council's attitude to rail.
CatInABox wrote: » Option 2 is the one that I'd go with as well, but it would fairly constrain the town, Dunshaughlin would be jammed between the motorway and the railway line. Not the end of the world, but it'll certainly have an effect on the towns future development.
Geog1234 wrote: » wouldn't agree with a new central station - there is nothing amiss with the existing Navan station - in fact several passenger trains ran to it (on the line from Drogheda) without issue.
Rulmeq wrote: » The Victorians really liked to build stations far away from towns. Does make you wonder if we shouldn't just be abandoning the old routes (use them as greenways) and creating new faster, straighter, better routes instead (without level crossings).
CatInABox wrote: » Dunshaughlin would be jammed between the motorway and the railway line.
Captain Lugger wrote: » It wasn’t a case of “liking” - it was the economics of the time. A lot of landowners wanted extortionate prices for access.
GerardKeating wrote: » Could the town not be developed on both sides of the railway line.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Maybe it's an urban legend I fell for, but I always thought one of the reasons for so many stations being 'out of town' was that the local person who was putting up the money to have the rail come through an area wanted the station to be close to his house. And as a relatively rich person his house would tend to be a few miles from the industrial area where the workers lived/worked/socialised.
