Teach30 wrote: » I clearly said I do keep test results, but not work handed up. I started out with a genuine question do we take their college course into account? I didn’t do CG last year so wasn’t sure. I can read a marking scheme but when students don’t get the marks despite having wrote what’s on the scheme how do you explain that to a class? How do you explain to them where they lost marks? I’ve asked subject assoc but unless you are a corrector they won’t say. You haven’t offered me much in line of advice only picking and choosing what I said to make out I’m crap at what I’m trying to do. So yea some here are being very pushy about all the extra stuff they do. Good for ye but not everyone has the time for that.
Rosita wrote: » I wouldn't automatically suggest to my students to sit the exam in that subject. I think there's a complex debate - even if there's a risk of downgrading, is sitting the exam risk-free? Could they have a not great day and the exam not go so well? Then there's the time and effort spent studying a subject which would obviously detract from the time available for others. Looking at it objectively I think any student who kills themselves doing 6/7 subjects to maybe only do as well or not as good as under calculated grades is foolhardy. To my mind a strategy which focuses only on exams where you can maximise grades is worth consideration. Chances are in some subjects if you get a grade from a teacher (even if you don't know what that is) it might be as good as it gets in some subjects.
rainbowtrout wrote: » It shouldn't need to be said to a teacher at inservice to keep a record of student marks. Most teachers would have kept them in a roll book in the past and had them available for parent teacher meetings. You also don't have to learn off marking schemes. They are not difficult to understand. All of my students are able to read a marking scheme without any major hassle. It's also not about dedication, it's about doing the basics of the job. Record keeping and understanding how a student can pick up marks in an exam are basic enough requirements. You're making snide remarks now saying teachers on here are pushy when today alone you've stated the following about your teaching: You don't keep much in the way of records, You don't really know where your results are for class tests You were considering giving the H1 student in your class a lower grade 'as they don't really need it for points' You were considering giving poorer students higher grades because 'they need them for high points courses' You are more concerned with being liked that giving grades based on ability The H3-H6 students you aren't really bothered about You can't be bothered to learn how to read a marking scheme - when it isn't hard at all. You reckon the only people that can read a marking scheme are those that correct exams - but that's not the case at all But everyone on here is pushy. :rolleyes: I really hope that no one on social media in general picks up on your posts because they are dreadful.
Leftwaffe wrote: » As an aside, anyone know what they’re going to do with their junior cert classes between now and May? I finished the course last Friday and was planning on Revision between now and the end of year. Haven’t a clue what to do now.
Teach30 wrote: » I have kept results of small class tests in my diary but it’s the idea of comparing those to their LC results, I’ve never looked too much into that. I might look at their results out of curiosity some years but I’d never undertake target setting or detailed analysis of them, as some here said they do. I get a new group and I move on. It’s worked fine for last 10 years but apparently not good enough for some commenting here. I can’t imagine myself being that intense about results tbh.
Teach30 wrote: » Its not standard practice for me, also not something that came up when I was teacher training or at any Inservices! Maybe should be though? I’d believe myself to be very dedicated to my role but I won’t lose sleep over not keeping a spreadsheet or learning off marking scheme when they don’t make any sense when your not a corrector. I came looking for advice but so far I all you’ve insinuated is that I’m not as dedicated as you are. Lovely attitude to have. Always hated the pushy teachers when I was in school. Anyways This might be the best learning experience ever for my and my future students.
rainbowtrout wrote: » But there's nothing stopping you keeping a notebook of the marks for class tests, it doesn't have to be a fancy spreadsheet. It's easy to see if Mary Murphy is a H2 or a H4 when you flick through the sets of results you have from class tests. Some of mine were remarkably consistent last year where all their marks ranged over maybe 15%. When someone is getting results entirely within 67-82% over two years it's entirely justifiable to say, yes that student is probably a H3. .
am_zarathustra wrote: » Every school I've taught in analyses their results every year, department by department, this is standard practice as far as I'm concerned. Your students are competing against students being taught by teachers that keep excels, that monitor results and adjust their teaching, that go over every marking scheme and have corrected. Personally my dedication to my job helps me sleep at night, if learning a new subject cost me some time that's less of a cost than class of students not being able to sit the exam because we cannot find a teacher.
Teach30 wrote: » I can safely say I always do my best for the students, keeping spreadsheets of records and comparing result isn’t something anyone in my staffroom speaks of. I didn’t realise it was a requirement of teaching nowadays? To be honest how many students get H1s in any class of mine has never been my top priority. There is more to teaching than the end result. Also What I mean by not bothered is they’ll be easier to figure those CG out so I’m not as worried. My original question has been answered I can only follow the guidelines when they are issued.
am_zarathustra wrote: » A part of doing your best for your students is understanding the pitfalls of the exams and steering them clear of that. Every school I've taught in analyses their results every year, department by department, this is standard practice as far as I'm concerned. I absolutely agree that their is more to teaching than the exam but I've seen it too often in DEIS schools where everyone is so concerned about all the other stuff they forget to ensure the kids have a quality education and good results they can carry with them for the rest of their lives. Your students are competing against students being taught by teachers that keep excels, that monitor results and adjust their teaching, that go over every marking scheme and have corrected. Personally my dedication to my job helps me sleep at night, if learning a new subject cost me some time that's less of a cost than class of students not being able to sit the exam because we cannot find a teacher.
noplacehere wrote: » It’s funny, everyone is different. I found the H3-H6’s far far harder last year. H1 and H2 are the hard workers. Their grades tend to be more consistent and the mean or a version of the mean as an average of theirs tends to be appropriate. But the H3 down often have grades from fails to 80s depending on the content. Choosing one specific percentage for them was so hard
Treppen wrote: » Why would you advise them to sit?
pandoraj09 wrote: » I teach with someone just like you Teach30, a person who wings it every day of the week. Your attitude is appalling and even more so in a forum that non-teachers have access to. You have a duty as a professional to be bothered about all of your students. Please God no non-teacher reading here thinks your attitude is common to us all.
rainbowtrout wrote: » That is born out by the fact that most were happy to move on last year and accept the predicted grades rather than sit the November exams.
Teach30 wrote: » Gosh I’d never do all that for a new subject Id just wing it! I have done my best to understand the assessments but I’m still never sure if I apply marking schemes correctly. Asking other teachers isn’t an option, I’m the only one teaching my subject to LCs. I’m teaching it with 10years though and keeping them happy, LCs have never complained so I must be doing something right! I thought you could only give so many H1s and H2s I’m not bothered about the rest they are easier to grade. If someone needs a H1 for points and they are between that and a H2 I’d totally give them the H1. Would they get in if they sat the exam? maybe but I have never marked LC so I couldn’t be definite that the answers they provide are H1 or H2.
rainbowtrout wrote: » Nothing is stopping them but some just won’t. That is born out by the fact that most were happy to move on last year and accept the predicted grades rather than sit the November exams. The fact that 80% of predicted grades were unchanged last year is another factor. Going on that there is a very good chance of getting what they want. Many students applying for college do apply for large intake courses like Arts, Business, General Science. So unless there was a major disaster in predicted grading they are most likely going to get what they need. I’ll be advising mine to sit the exams but I know some won’t and I’m not going to spend the next few weeks arguing with them over it.
Wombatman wrote: » Think about it. Everyone is getting a PG. Those who do the exam and those who don't. So what is to stop a student opting in for all exams and just not doing them when it comes to the crunch? I would advise ever student to opt in to all exams, even if they are probably not going to do them, which will make planning a nightmare. Obviously if you don't opt in to do the exam you won't get the option later.
rainbowtrout wrote: » I would guess that PG is the default and a student would have to opt out of it like last year. And exams would be an opt in. Can’t see there being a change of mind once orals and practicals get under way.
amacca wrote: » Think dept have stated both processes opt in strangely enough Last year you had to opt into predicted grades too...there were still hundreds of students thst hadn't at the deadline Legal reasons? Maybe you absolve dept of liability when you opt in?
Wombatman wrote: » One key missing element is deadline for students to opt for PGs or exams. Will there be a change of mind window I wonder? I mean if a student is an exam no show, they will get a PG anyway, so students in theory should elect to do exams in everything, even if at a later date they change their minds.
Moody_mona wrote: » I mentioned it a few pages back, ACCS confirming they schools will finish a week early. This is for all students and to allow time for the submission of predicted grades.
