political analyst wrote: » Neither does it make her a bad minister.
enricoh wrote: » Here's a 41year old primary school teacher on 52k a year, and they're still crying about pay and rejecting new pay increases. Cry me a river, with half a million people out of work at the mo! Let them strike away for more n ignore them.https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/money-diaries-21-5350675-Feb2021/
Smacruairi wrote: » Are you ok? You seem very incoherent. I want her sacked because : She failed to have a contingency for schools being closed due to covid, she didn't instigate a national remote learning platform so that school experience wouldn't vary depending on where they are in the country, she didn't plan for the leaving cert at all it seems, she didn't plan for the junior cert at all and still hasnt, her communication is awful, and she lies about having consulted people and is routinely corrected by the tanaiste and taoiseach, in the public no less. She has made no provision for children with additional needs, seems to not talk to parents at all unless through twitter, and her public utterances routinely inflame everyone. What about that is unclear to you?
shesty wrote: » I got the impression Michael Martin was shepherding that, rather than Norma Foley being the driving force. It was when the spotlight went off it, and she was left to her own devices that it all seemed to go downhill.
maestroamado wrote: » That is perfectly clear, why you could not have said that earlier suggests to me you are the one who is incoherent. I am genuine not informed in the teachers and am kinda interested, we get so many different versions i asked as i do not know why all the schools are not opening as planned I was and am trying to find out if the teachers have a genuine health and safety reason or if unions are causing the trouble. I think if i was given the axe i be chopping a few heads too but not informed on this one. Many thanks for clarity...
OEP wrote: » They don't want private sector wages though. Teachers are sacrificing the potential to make a big salary over - take your pick from - love of vocation, subject, lifestyle... Yes there will be some who take advantage of the lifestyle aspect but they are in the minority. Not being able to progress like in the private sector is, in my opinion, a huge downside to teaching and the main reason why I could never do it. A teacher with 27 years experience makes €70k - I was earning in or around this after 4 years and I'm very much in the average in my job and not the exception. With 7 years experience I now earn the same as a principal of a medium sized school with nothing near the level of responsibility they have.
Iguarantee wrote: » You make a good point. Granted a school principal has much responsibility, as do many teachers. One of my children cut their head in primary school after tripping in the playground. The teacher advised that they couldn’t apply any bandages or use alcohol wipes etc as they “weren’t allowed”. Instead, my child walked out of the school with a tissue in her hand, holding it to her head. Obviously this is one isolated anecdote, however my point is that not all teachers have a large level of responsibility or even freedom to act based on their own policy experience or even in the best interests of the child. A lot of people think their job is hard or at least harder than most others. In my experience, teachers firmly fall into this category. I’m familiar with grinds schools for leaving cert etc. where teachers can command much higher wages. I wouldn’t say there are a whole load of those around though, in Cork I’m only aware of 3 or 4.
OEP wrote: » The lack of planning hasn't been emphasised enough, which has been an absolute disgrace and that falls on the shoulders of Norma Foley - simple as.
dirkmeister wrote: » I’m a teacher and anyone not willing to put a plaster on a bleeding child needs to get the f*ck out of the profession. You’re in loco parentis. Help the child. Sorry to hear that happened to your child.
Iguarantee wrote: » My point wasn’t a direct transplant of the private sector model to the public sector. I was stating that, in the private sector, an increase in pay is almost always substantiated with actual evidence. Salaries are higher in the private sector because people are more profitable in the private sector. As an example: there are call centre staff working at Apple that make more than €51k a year, not because they’re more educated than teachers, but because they provide more non-productive income for Apple. I’ve seen it in my own work: I’m paid €X, I’m contracted to another company and my agency charges them 1.5X or 2X in some cases. Teachers do an important job. But they want private sector wages whilst retaining the security of public sector jobs. They can’t have it both ways unless something major changes.
jucko wrote: » €587 per week after tax... i wouldnt do it tbh, and listen to the shoite they do
Patrick2010 wrote: » There’s no chance of call center staff getting 51k a year
Floppybits wrote: » Lets take Education for instance, what is wrong with instead of closing schools that they instead do half days, say for example primary schools the bring in lets say junior infants up to say 2nd class from 9 till 12 and then rest from 1 - 4. The hours break between the 2 would give plenty of time so that this less people going to and from the school and the kids would be getting at half a days class time with the teacher.
IAMAMORON wrote: » I think she is doing a great job. Fair play to her and she is very brave taking on a ministerial job in her first time as a TD. I mean it is not as if she has being on a very steep curve given the extraordinary circumstances we are all living under? The teachers unions have acted appallingly the last 12 months and now posters are going online to try to stir up a witch hunt. if the unions had the guts to put their pupils first instead of using these shocking circumstances to impose pressure on the government everyone would be better off, most importantly the students. She is doing a great job.
Iguarantee wrote: » From my perspective, the biggest issue would be logistics for the parents. Your suggestion makes sense, but if that was the situation I was in then we'd have double the trips to the school as well as homework/food etc. being out of sync. It works if you're living 5 minutes from the school but I can't see it being practical for many other reasons. For example: the schools were meant to open in January, they didn't. There are parents out there who have to go to work, because they must pay the bills, because their manager is a raging tyrant, because of many reasons. To be clear, my own household is in a very, very fortunate position and have been throughout the entire C19 scenario. That's partially luck and partially due to how we live and have our life structured. I genuinely realise how lucky we are every day since the lockdowns began last year. When the government says that schools are closing, they are thinking in terms of health and safety (I assume :rolleyes:) but they don't seem to address the people who now have to look after their kids at home. I can do my job remotely, but I cannot do my job and look after kids simultaneously, because that's the age my kids are at and I have work calls etc. I feel for those people that don't have any flexibility or have been shoehorned into this position. Sustaining the lockdowns has to be the last possible alternative, in my opinion. It can't be the first line of defence. That's not to say the current lockdown isn't justified, however, the longer they drag it out the more untenable it is for many people, and not because they can't go for a flotilla of pints with their mates, because they're parenting and working at the same time.
Floppybits wrote: » The logistics for the parents can be worked out, sure if you are saying that people have to go into work because of knuckle dragging bosses or they are on the frontline, sure those people are going to be making arrangements anyway with the schools closed. I am sure those parents who have to go into a workplace are not leaving the kids on their own to fend for themselves. I think most people would prefer to see their kids getting even a half day or education rather than none. I understand how difficult it is for people at the moment sure I am in the same boat trying to work, look after kids and do the home schooling and yes I am lucky that I can work from home. This month we decided to send out child back to their after school childcare for 3 days a week so that they would have some interaction with other kids and since they have gone back they are a much happier child than being stuck home with 2 adults who are trying to work and look after them and giving them an iphone or putting them in front of the tv is not looking after them.
shesty wrote: » Unfortunately, she was put in a fairly high profile job that she was always going to have a steep learning curve on due to lack of experience, while also being in a country wide situation of "steep learning curve".But all that being said, it was not rocket science last July and August to think look schools might close this academic year (we all expected it at some point), maybe we should sit and sort out the main points that might be stumbling blocks in the event of school closures, ie mocks, orals, practical, special needs and LC and JC exams.But no, instead we are all sitting around here in after 2 months of "talks" on these things that could and should have been sorted out last year, no closer to any solution, with no focus on the bigger problem, which is when and how schools can reopen for every child. That is fairly unforgivable in my books anyway.It doesn't take a genius to anticipate that. Just common sense.
IAMAMORON wrote: » The unions have been deliberately intransigent to suit their own ends. They even managed to get last years' leaving cert called off, what a shambles. Then they have the audacity to go online and start blaming the minister? Disgraceful. The unions should be ashamed of themselves for using this emergency as an opportunity to benefit their members at the expense of the students they are supposed to be teaching ..... and then turning around and blaming the gubbermint? Shameful behaviour.
IAMAMORON wrote: » The problem is that the tail has been wagging the dog. The unions have been deliberately intransigent to suit their own ends. They even managed to get last years' leaving cert called off, what a shambles. Then they have the audacity to go online and start blaming the minister? Disgraceful. The unions should be ashamed of themselves for using this emergency as an opportunity to benefit their members at the expense of the students they are supposed to be teaching ..... and then turning around and blaming the gubbermint? Shameful behaviour.
Triangle wrote: » 100% and the opposition don't say a word about this. The unions are a self serving machine that have no interest in the children. They've gotten so big they act like big business. It's the ISSU that should be in discussions with the government so at least the school kids have a voice. One ISSU member said on newstalk (and its on the Issus website) that the Asti have ignored multiple requests to meet with the ISSU, that's some record for a group that have students interests at heart
Smacruairi wrote: » Govt cancelled the lc last year, teacher unions pushed for it to go ahead, just like we did this year. Easily googled, off you go. You're just wrong here, flat out, but you know that you're just trying to confuse people. Very poor attempt 2/10.
