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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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bustercherry

The Big Easy wrote: »

It's a completely clueless puff piece but the timing is interesting. There is a point to be made about golf courses and climate change, especially all the vibrant lush green courses in the Middle East and the US desert, the amount of watering required must be truly eye-watering!

Is it a conspiracy or just a coincidence?

blue note

That article didn't bother me at all. Golf is apparently very bad for the environment and I've never heard any serious talk about trying to change that. Maybe a few articles would put some pressure on clubs, manufacturers, unions to improve their practices.

The first stage will be articles like that being written and people with vested interests (such as golfers) refusing to accept there's a problem or more likely acknowledging there's a problem but refusing to accept anything being done about it until we better understand it. The level of understanding needed for them to be happy for it to be addressed is infinite, it'll never be achieved. Eventually enough people will come round and enough external pressure will build and golf will be forced to address the issue.

CalamariFritti

slingerz wrote: »

I think clubs could definitely improve their bio diversity with growning up the lesser used areas but then there’s the consideration of round time if people are looking for balls

I only cross-read that article but when i read that point 1 was lost balls my head started shaking right away.

There are arguments that ecologically a golf course is a bit of a green wasteland. Highly pesticised, highly fertilised, short-cut, monoculture, all cleaned up no refuge for animals or even insects. That kind of stuff.

But lost balls

Luckycharm

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yeah Ballybunion is hard beat. Played it 2 or 3 times. Cant wait to get back. This is a short non simulated shot by shot of each hole in Ballybunion to give you a feel for it. Only 12 minutes long. Needless to say every fairway and green was hit. Number 11 is a real eyecatcher along with the par 3 15th and par 4 17th. Something to whet the appetite and drive you demented in equal measure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVpITKEkQY

Booked in to play Ballybunion and Tralee for first time in May, can't wait though the way things are going we won't be bloody allowed leave our county!!

slingerz

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dare say it’s a lot better for the planet than yet another shopping centre.

I think clubs could definitely improve their bio diversity with growning up the lesser used areas but then there’s the consideration of round time if people are looking for balls

ForeRight

bailey99 wrote: »

Do you want to give me your phone number and I'll get my neighbour who was in the ward to give you a call to explainn the situation?

No need for that now sure you’ve just confirmed there that your big dramatic post about hospitals being overrun with 30-40 year olds on oxygen was anacdotal rubbish.

Thanks for clearing it up.

golfguy1

Hang on, that's a thing? I rarely hit the fairway anyway, but how can they not be in play?[/quote]

pretty sure most/all links courses do it for the winter
I know tralee, ballybunion and dooks all use mats or drop to the side

Kingswood Rover

Whiplash85 wrote: »

If I said you had a 4 hour window or reprieve from this current lockdown and could play any course in Ireland where would it be?

Tallaght Stadium with a full house for Rovers and Bohs, nearly a year now since the last home game.

Kiith

The Big Easy wrote: »

Sorry

As long as you didn't write it, or approve it, you've nothing to apologise for.

You didn't do either, did you? :pac:

The Big Easy

Kiith wrote: »

What a complete waste of the 2 minutes it took to realise that article was absolute bollox.

Sorry

Just what a headline to have on their homepage at this time, highly curious :pac:

CalamariFritti

I dare say it’s a lot better for the planet than yet another shopping centre.

The Big Easy

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Her background is engineering so I'm not sure what her bona fides are with regards to environmental impacts of golf. Surely you could take aim many other things besides golf. 3 out of her first 4 points are practically the same. It is a rubbish article. RTE are scraping the bottom of the barrel. But it will be interesting when the Covid hysteria dies down to see the full scale mobilisation of hysteria around climate change. This agenda is coming down the track and fast. What interested me recently was seeing a report that had showed Ireland cut its emmissions by 6% in comparison to 2019. A paltry figure when you take into context just what kind of year we had.

It's a completely clueless puff piece but the timing is interesting. There is a point to be made about golf courses and climate change, especially all the vibrant lush green courses in the Middle East and the US desert, the amount of watering required must be truly eye-watering!

B-D-P--

The Big Easy wrote: »

Ha! The State's propaganda arm has responded!

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0217/1197619-golf-environmental-impact/

I hate the RTE add about their news with the slogan

"The truth matters"
This is a prime example. It annoys me how people lap up their ****, The mirror is a more reliable source than they are!

Kiith

The Big Easy wrote: »

Ha! The State's propaganda arm has responded!

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0217/1197619-golf-environmental-impact/

What a complete waste of the 2 minutes it took to realise that article was absolute bollox.

Whiplash85

Don't pay the TV licence fee and watch their content. Hit them where it hurts. Simples

Russman

The Big Easy wrote: »

Ha! The State's propaganda arm has responded!

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0217/1197619-golf-environmental-impact/

Just when you thought they couldn't go any lower....

Seriously what sort of editor allowed that muck to be put out there ? F--k me.

Whiplash85

The Big Easy wrote: »

Coincidence?!

Her background is engineering so I'm not sure what her bona fides are with regards to environmental impacts of golf. Surely you could take aim many other things besides golf. 3 out of her first 4 points are practically the same. It is a rubbish article. RTE are scraping the bottom of the barrel. But it will be interesting when the Covid hysteria dies down to see the full scale mobilisation of hysteria around climate change. This agenda is coming down the track and fast. What interested me recently was seeing a report that had showed Ireland cut its emmissions by 6% in comparison to 2019. A paltry figure when you take into context just what kind of year we had.

The Big Easy

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Jesus Wept.

Coincidence?!

Whiplash85

The Big Easy wrote: »

Ha! The State's propaganda arm has responded!

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0217/1197619-golf-environmental-impact/

Jesus Wept.

The Big Easy

Ha! The State's propaganda arm has responded!

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0217/1197619-golf-environmental-impact/

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

The Big Easy wrote: »

I would have thought most would accept a seasonality component to this, I'm not sure what the motivation is to not see it as having the same seasonality effect as all similar viruses.

Here's a paper that highlights such.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.02.20187203v3

I will do up my own correlation if I can get my hands on a dataset for the monthly breakdown of cases and deaths for Ireland.

I don't believe it's a coincidence that Australia and New Zealand see themselves as overcoming the virus during their summer months. I wouldn't be overdoing the self-congratulation in their shoes before they've even encountered a second winter during this pandemic (vaccination may make this point moot for them).

The susceptibility of a virus to seasonality relates to what is referred to as an lipid "Envelope".

Like other viruses with a lipid envelope, SARS-CoV-2 is probably sensitive to temperature, humidity, and solar radiation; this affects its ability to persist on surfaces and in air, and might have subtle impacts on transmission.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18150-z

The genetic material of some viruses is packaged not only in a capsid protein, but also in a membrane called an envelope, which is typically made of lipids. It interacts with host cells during the infection process and helps dodge immune attacks. Viruses with envelopes are more fragile and vulnerable to adverse conditions, Nathanson says, including, for example, summertime heat and dryness.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/why-do-dozens-diseases-wax-and-wane-seasons-and-will-covid-19

I haven't read many recent studies but in terms of structure, the virus meets the generally accepted criteria of a virus which would be susceptible to seasonality.

The Big Easy

slingerz wrote: »

There is the seasonality of the virus as well to consider which means it should lessen as we enter the later spring/summer.

When it comes to lockdown we are far more docile than other countries where it wouldn’t be tolerated. I can see us remaining in lockdown until after April.

Coupled with the improved weather & pressure to ramp up a vaccine program restrictions will have to ease. It wouldn’t remain politically tenable to stay in lockdown until June IMO

GreeBo wrote: »

What's this based on? I'm pretty sure the southern hemisphere have a covid issue for the last 6 months?

The chances on any government distinguishing golf from other sports is very low in my opinion.

I would have thought most would accept a seasonality component to this, I'm not sure what the motivation is to not see it as having the same seasonality effect as all similar viruses.

Here's a paper that highlights such.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.02.20187203v3

I will do up my own correlation if I can get my hands on a dataset for the monthly breakdown of cases and deaths for Ireland.

I don't believe it's a coincidence that Australia and New Zealand see themselves as overcoming the virus during their summer months. I wouldn't be overdoing the self-congratulation in their shoes before they've even encountered a second winter during this pandemic (vaccination may make this point moot for them).

Whiplash85

Personally it would be Tralee or Carne for me. Leaning towards Carne as I would defy the rules of my 4 hour reprieve and play the Kilmore 9 as well.

Whiplash85

ClutchIt wrote: »

Ballybunion for me. Never played it and would love to play a links course again.

Yeah Ballybunion is hard beat. Played it 2 or 3 times. Cant wait to get back. This is a short non simulated shot by shot of each hole in Ballybunion to give you a feel for it. Only 12 minutes long. Needless to say every fairway and green was hit. Number 11 is a real eyecatcher along with the par 3 15th and par 4 17th. Something to whet the appetite and drive you demented in equal measure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVpITKEkQY

Kiith

Whiplash85 wrote: »

If I said you had a 4 hour window or reprieve from this current lockdown and could play any course in Ireland where would it be?

Portmarnock or Adare for places i've never played i think. Carne, Enniscrone or The European for somewhere i have.

golfguy1 wrote: »

fairways generally not in play. drop to either side

Hang on, that's a thing? I rarely hit the fairway anyway, but how can they not be in play?

bailey99

ForeRight wrote: »

So not “overrun” as I said and that includes people from 50-65 which probably makes up the vast majority of that 48%.

Scaremongering from some would have you believe hospitals are bursting at the seems with people in their 30’s and 40’s though.

As I said making up lies to support his logical reasoning just doesn’t wash I’m afraid.

Do you want to give me your phone number and I'll get my neighbour who was in the ward to give you a call to explainn the situation?

ClutchIt

Whiplash85 wrote: »

If I said you had a 4 hour window or reprieve from this current lockdown and could play any course in Ireland where would it be?

Ballybunion for me. Never played it and would love to play a links course again.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

ForeRight wrote: »

I’d just play my own course

Yeah if it was a me only reprieve, there would be far better craic in rubbing in the face of your fellow club members :cool:

ForeRight

Whiplash85 wrote: »

If I said you had a 4 hour window or reprieve from this current lockdown and could play any course in Ireland where would it be?

I’d just play my own course

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

golfguy1 wrote: »

fairways generally not in play. drop to either side

Good to know, read a few anecdotal pieces online regarding when they do & don't lift mats in various places so I'll keep that in mind when we're free