noplacehere wrote: » There absolutely needs to be one union. No question on that However I am delighted to see the TUI bring up the JC. They have been completely ignored. Parents are fuming. No harm for one of the unions to get brownie points by being ahead of the media coverage for once. The dogs on the street know the JC is going to be cancelled. We knew it the day the schools closed again. Let it be done in a coherent fashion with time for schools to plan for what form it will take for students before they are back in front of them
History Queen wrote: » God knows?! Duration of exams a factor maybe? I really don't know. I've given up trying to find logic in the approach to schools. I think a lot of ye are aware I'm in the TUI but that I've no bother criticise them or acknowledge when ASTI are better on a particular issue, but just looking at last few posts here, the damage having two unions, and therefore a divide in approach by teachers, is so obvious. It's no wonder longer term issues like unequal pay never get sorted with one union constantly vying against the other. And both unions are equally culpable in this regard.
History Queen wrote: » Have to say I disagree with you Treppen. CBAs etc coming up thick and fast. I think JC clarity is needed, it isn't fair to keep them hanging on. And I i don't think engagement will go if a clear assessment structure is put in place for them.
Treppen wrote: » It's the INTOs fault that teacher pay won't get sorted. They keep accepting every pay deal. From what I hear the ASTI and INTO have been approaching the INTO asking for support and one voice on the issue, but no go.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » I've raised same at branch and district level within thr INTO and keep getting told that the issues T primary and secondary level are different and that is the reason why there is no consolidated and uniform approach. I call BS though.
PoolDude wrote: » For JC last year my child’s school sent a table of how they were calculating grades by subject; weighting for each exam taken over 2nd & 3rd year, cba, online attendance & participation, upcoming summer exam, assignments/class work etc. It kept them engaged and worked well. I’ve another one doing it this year and would be fine with that approach again One factor - schools were told to weight heavier to work done than what they did after lockdown - not sure how that will work this time
Rosita wrote: » Interesting to see attendance considered as part of an exam grade. That's a big departure from the State exams and while I can could write a book about students' poor attendance I'm not sure I'd favour it in a terminal exam. Wasn't mentioned in our school last year which left it up to individual departments to make assessment decisions but I would expect to be in the minority in a staff meeting if I said that attendance should not be taken into account in a final grade. I don't see any reason why students can't effectively sit a Junior Cert style exam in May (if schools want that) in the way that other classes sit summer exams. That's assuming we are back at school as normal of course.
History Queen wrote: » Just as an aside, attendance is part of the calculation for LCA state exams, albeit as a minimum requirement rather than a %mark. There was a discussion around using attendance at our school too but ultimately we didn't.
Bobtheman wrote: » Look its going to be farcical. We all know this. Anybody in education is an expert at looking two ways at once. Thus play along. Get it over with. Lie back and think of Ireland. Then hope we are not having another discussion next year. The media have hyped up the LC again. Nothing on the other more pressing issues in our state like the ruin this has brought to thousands of lives. The 50 billion we borrowed.
rainbowtrout wrote: » I think the big difference is that LCA know this in advance. It would be unfair to look at attendance retrospectively for a component of a JC grade.
Nyla Worried Son wrote: » No more than it would be fair to retrospectively look at Christmas, Summer or even mock exams for a JC or LC grade, I suppose! I wonder did schools who rejected attendance playing a part in weighting a predicted result, similarly reject school exams in playing a part in weighting. I don't agree with attendance playing a part, but it's strange logic to deem it unfair in retrospect if exams are used for a different purpose than intended in retrospect. It just shows how farcical the whole thing is with no agreed plan, and that we are here again for a second year truly is astounding!
km79 wrote: » http://twitter.com/JMB_Secretariat/status/1362002118631129094 Still making up jobs for the inspectors in a year when schools are crying out for subs Send them back to the classroom
Rosita wrote: » Obviously the exams are considered in retrospect and that's a debate, but at least they are - for all the caveats that might be around them - measuring academic performance under exam conditions which is what the JC and LC seek to do. Attendance is a different kettle of fish.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Ring people who haven't taught remotely or in some cases haven't taught for manys years for advice on remote teaching. Couldn't make this rubbish up.
deiseindublin wrote: » I don't really agree with the LCA attendance thing tbh. Maybe give 10% extra above a certain threshold, but any assessment needs to be outcome based. You can have a waster in every day annoying the others in the class but it means Jack Sh*t about what he/she has learned. Their attendance does inhibit others ability to learn though. I see 1pm news saying that students will have to pick LC exam or CG in advance, with all results released together. I think that's a horrendous choice for an LC to make. I've an LC in the house and she could well just sit all papers rather than trust the system I'd say. Honestly, wellbeing and mental health my arse.
Wombatman wrote: » I'd hold fire. They might be the point of contact for help and supports around the imminent PG assessment, orals, practical's and project work completion. I feel for ye, because an LC announcement is due today following by an inevitable sh1tstorm of work over a condensed period. Ye might need to reach out at that point.
deiseindublin wrote: » I see 1pm news saying that students will have to pick LC exam or CG in advance, with all results released together. I think that's a horrendous choice for an LC to make. I've an LC in the house and she could well just sit all papers rather than trust the system I'd say. Honestly, wellbeing and mental health my arse.
rainbowtrout wrote: » The Inspectorate is the last place any teacher would contact if they needed help.
