Irishphotodesk wrote: » not sure you are aware of this but most teachers that leave the profession to become a politician has their job kept for them to return to (assuming they were in a permanent role prior to their running for election), a temporary role/substitute role is made for the person that fills the politicians teacher role. or maybe I'm wrong and they stopped doing that - it certainly was this way when I last cared about politicians and where they came from. EDIT: for anyone having a go at her for incompetencies .... a politician is surrounded by advisors/civil servants feeding them information and telling them the best course of action to take - politicians are no more than an extremely well paid mouthpiece who won a popularity contest.
OEP wrote: Why haven't all these people giving out about teacher's salaries become teachers in the first place? As a 16 year old you can look up the salary scale and see exactly what you'll be earning for the rest of your career. Why didn't you become one? Were you not good enough to get the points? Did you current career not pan out as you planned and now your bitter?
Smacruairi wrote: » After yet another few days of leaks about the reopening of schools, it transpires that she again hadn't informed her cabinet colleagues. Why has she not been replaced? Has there ever been a minister who has been repeatedly making a bags of this and lasted this long? Like the dept of health is bad, but this is on another level it seems, particularly around communication. Do FF realise that their most public ministers are Donnelly and Foley, who surely have approvement ratings in the single digits, while FG have paschal and Coveney who are quietly keeping things moving along? Is there a plan, even a political one?!
dubrov wrote: » In fairness, teacher's aren't the only profession that people give out about. It's not possible to become them all. I think most would recommend becoming a teacher to their children, especially outside of dublin where the salaries are the same but the property costs much less
jam17032010 wrote: » Have you told your teacher friends how much you despise them? Or do you only talk to them with your other face? It's hard to take the opinion of someone so bitter and angry seriously. Rather than despised, most non bitter people appreciate the work that their teachers do.
hamburgham wrote: » You’re missing something. If the meat workers weren’t going back to work, they wouldn’t be on full pay. PUP like everyone else.
jam17032010 wrote: » All of them? Really? Many of the parents I know don't want to send their kids back to school in the height of a pandemic. You know the type. The typess that are not covid deniers and who actually care for their loved ones and don't want them to get sick.
hamburgham wrote: » Gotta go now. Job to do. No mid term break for me.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Your missing something. Teachers are working from home.
mayo londoner wrote: » In simpler terms, effectively what I'm saying is that I'd safely say a hell of a lot more professions have greater qualifications and skills than teachers but the permanent 50k jobs simply just aren't out there, so the poster is talking complete and utter bull**** from his/her ivory tower.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Was speaking to a secondary school teacher last night. His fifth year class of 18 is only getting 10 students back when they open. The other are being kept home for another while by their parents.
jam17032010 wrote: » Ya, I'd believe that. And that will be replicated across the country. Those who can keep their kids safe will keep them home. From September to Christmas, the DES told schools not to provide for students who opted to stay at home. To force them into school IMO. The cohort who want to stay safe will not be educated. So so wrong.
iamwhoiam wrote: » While I cannot abide Norma Foley and I think she has made a complete mess of everything she touches I think the vast majority of teachers have done a great job despite her I do homework with grandchild and in 1st class and her teacher has been amazing .He teaches with videos from the classroom , links to art and PE ., sets homework daily and reading groups on zoom.He encourages, corrects , sets up science experiments, gets them to measure things in the house etc etc . I have nothing but admiration for him and others who stepped out their comfort zones and made it happen despite Ms Foley and the DoE
Smee_Again wrote: » No ivory tower here lad, I’m private sector and always have been. I lost jobs during the crash, emigrated, lost more jobs, stayed away for over 6 years, came home, upskilled, spent all my savings doing so, applied for jobs I was over qualified for and boom not 7 years later I have one of those permanent €50k+ jobs and a house that I was able to save a deposit for. I’m not anything special, very average, but I knew what I wanted out of life and I worked towards it. I didn’t spent my time worrying about how much teachers, or others earn. I worried about how much I earned, and I argued for better pay whenever I could.
lawrencesummers wrote: » So many people think life owes them a living.
James Brown wrote: » Unions are member driven whose remit is to look after it's membership. They don't and shouldn't give two ****s about anything outside of looking after their membership. Unions are necessary.
mayo londoner wrote: » My girlfriend (primary school) and approx a dozen of my friends are teachers (mix of primary and secondary, mainly secondary). I've had the pleasure of living with my girlfriend and 3 of my friends in the past 7yrs at different stages and can count on one hand how many times I've seen them bring work home with them, Generally 2-2.5hrs max a day (outside of holidays) s For the record, I did reach the 50k mark after 12 yrs in my profession (51k to be exact), was the stress, workload, constant CPD and average 45-50hrs hours a week worth it? No is the answer, was I one of the lucky few who has reached the 50k mark in that particular industry? Yes. Permanent 50k jobs are a pipedream for majority of the country outside of teachers, IT, pharmaceutical, doctors and a very small % in construction, that's the reality. And before a teacher bites back that it's so hard to get a permanent job, for some, yes it may be, but realise that this is the case across all industries, especially in the last few years, and not exclusive to teachers. I've since taken a substantial pay drop and gone back onto the public sector gravy train, a university to be precise. Am I happy I did it, yes. Workload and stress have decreased tenfold, does that give me a right to criticise teachers without being labelled 'bitter', chip on shoulder etc, Yes, they shouldn't be immune to criticism after what people have seen with their own eyes down through the years.
mayo londoner wrote: » Ah I see the lazy automated teacher retorts of 'bitter, angry, chip on the shoulder, who didn't you become a teacher' etc etc are being rolled out en mass as per usual zzzzzzzz Truth to the matter is that yes, people in their 30s simply can't afford a few years off work and the fees associated with Hibernia, have mortgages, car loans, kids etc, and others, believe it or not, just simply don't want to be a teacher and are reasonably happy in what they are doing, does this not mean they allowed to pull teachers up on their wrongdoings and outrageous sense of entitlement? Funny how no teacher bit back re the qualifications part of my previous post and argued that point. As regards to the teachers being despised point, you'd want to be living under a rock to see that this is the general feeling towards teachers in this country, which has only increased tenfold throughout this pandemic, but yes, teachers are indeed living under that rock. My girlfriend (primary school) and approx a dozen of my friends are teachers (mix of primary and secondary, mainly secondary). I've had the pleasure of living with my girlfriend and 3 of my friends in the past 7yrs at different stages and can count on one hand how many times I've seen them bring work home with them, honestly, so I'm really not buying this whole 40+hrs a week bull**** of teaching classes, preparing lesson plans, online classes, correcting homework etc etc. Generally home before 3 o clock (a lot earlier on certain days of the week if a secondary teacher), food shopping done, dinner made, exercise done, showered and had a nap/gone for a pint before other housemates, including myself would walk in the door. That's not 'bitter', it's a fact and just mine and everyone else that I know experiences of teachers. Any Whatsapp groups I'm in with teachers would also more than prove my point. 2 of them gave their students (and themselves) a 'snow day' for a light dusting of snow last Thursday, I **** you not. Generally 2-2.5hrs max a day (outside of holidays) seems to be the input a teacher is putting in per day during COVID to justify the hefty salary, a blind man could see why people from other professions would be more than sick of their ****e and constant whinging when they have great working conditions and perks. Nobody would have any issue with any of this if they just got on with it like the rest of the country instead of the daily whinge about how hard they have it, the world is against them etc etc which I have no issue pulling them up on. My sister has 4 children, all of national school age, she would have been generally in support of teachers down through the years but has long changed her view since Covid started with the lack of interaction herself and other parents have had in their school. Bizarrally, midterm was cut short by 2 days in her national school with only two weeks notice, putting the cynical hat on, one would suspect the school would rather 'teach' online rather than spend the 2 days physically in the school. Not surprisingly it has gone down like a lead balloon with the parents of that school. The bull**** 'pay inequality' argument is one that royally pisses me off, I've been on the lower end of the scale (that was being shafted according to teachers) during a previous stint in the public sector, was I angry about it and demand 'pay equality'? No, I didn't because it is the norm, especially in the private sector (reason why majority laugh at this demand by teachers) and I signed up to the perk and conditions of the job, just like many teachers when they entered the profession, but are now constantly threatening strike on the issue. Again, funny how effectively no other section of the public sector has any issue with this or made such a fuss over it. For the record, I did reach the 50k mark after 12 yrs in my profession (51k to be exact), was the stress, workload, constant CPD and average 45-50hrs hours a week worth it? No is the answer, was I one of the lucky few who has reached the 50k mark in that particular industry? Yes. Permanent 50k jobs are a pipedream for majority of the country outside of teachers, IT, pharmaceutical, doctors and a very small % in construction, that's the reality. And before a teacher bites back that it's so hard to get a permanent job, for some, yes it may be, but realise that this is the case across all industries, especially in the last few years, and not exclusive to teachers. I've since taken a substantial pay drop and gone back onto the public sector gravy train, a university to be precise. Am I happy I did it, yes. Workload and stress have decreased tenfold, does that give me a right to criticise teachers without being labelled 'bitter', chip on shoulder etc, Yes, they shouldn't be immune to criticism after what people have seen with their own eyes down through the years.
OEP wrote: » What has your salary situation got to do with it? Clearly you're either in a job that isn't in high demand, industry that doesn't have good salaries or a skillset and qualifications that doesn't demand a high salary. Again, you could have become a teacher straight out of school, saving you the 4 year career break.
OEP wrote: » Your gf and friends might not be the best of examples of teachers then! My gf (secondary so maybe it's different) does work at home every evening. Correcting, making notes etc. She has been doing longer hours since covid and online teaching as it means more notes need to be prepared, in different formats and correcting is more difficult too. She would love to be back in school. What has your salary situation got to do with it? Clearly you're either in a job that isn't in high demand, industry that doesn't have good salaries or a skillset and qualifications that doesn't demand a high salary. Again, you could have become a teacher straight out of school, saving you the 4 year career break.
Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: » A lot of teachers thought when she was made minister for Ed that she would at least understand their position being a teacher herself however she completely fcuked that up for herself when turned against them over the last few months and I’d imagine not many schools would want her anywhere near them if she tries to go back to teaching once FF realise how utterly useless she actually is.
Smee_Again wrote: » His salary comment was probably directed at me because I said €52K isn't that much for for a university graduate or skilled employee with 10+ years experience. I notice he doesn't say what he did in construction or what his qualifications are, not that he has to obviously, I just think it's suspect.
