FrancieBrady wrote: » When Jeffrey says 'our' he is not talking about personal relationships but party relationships.
markodaly wrote: » Interesting article in the journal today about the general discourse online.https://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-grafitti-leo-varadkar-5344817-Feb2021/ Judging by the stuff posted here, I have to agree with Leo, Chu and Rabbitte on the type of nonsense being uttered and where a lot of this stuff is coming from. SF has to take a stronger point of view here and call out the crap on social media when they see if and not just shrug their shoulders and move on. We all know about their secret group is just one of many. As for your 4-5 regular anti-Leo/FG amigos, just one question. Does your posting style, tone and veracity help or hinder political discourse and encourage online hate and fake news? Do you want to turn into America?
markodaly wrote: » Again, would you rather he said, 'our enemy'? Francie, the GFA is over 20 years old and you still haven't learned a thing from it, have you. This sectarianist viewpoint is one for the dark ages. Come to the light Francie, stop living like its 1970 where SF/PIRA want to kill to achieve a political aim.
McMurphy wrote: » Appeals to people to stop living in the 1970s..... Uses 1970s Paisley slogan "SF/IRA" How in under jaysis do you expect to be taken seriously mark?
markodaly wrote: » SF has to take a stronger point of view here and call out the crap on social media when they see if and not just shrug their shoulders and move on. We all know about their secret group is just one of many.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Just incredible really.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Only one party leader I know of favours 'anonymous' online accounts to promote his own positions. Guess who that is? He who speaks in forked tongue.
smurgen wrote: » Ah this old chestnut. All parties are up to it. None more so than FG. Let's not forget Leo implying Mary Lou was in control of a terrorists organization before the election without a shred of evidence. It doesn't get more serious than that really. Anyway some vintage FF social media for you which is eerily relevant now.https://twitter.com/fiannafailparty/status/696701426928644098?s=08
blanch152 wrote: » Just incredible how you and McMurphy misrepresented his post. Look at what was said: "stop living like its 1970 where SF/PIRA want to kill to achieve a political aim" SF and PIRA were more than twins back then, they were the same organisation. Using SF/PIRA in an historical context to refer to events in 1970 is perfectly appropriate. Misrepresenting that to mean it is being used in a contemporary context is not appropriate.
People are sick and tired of the SF/IRA weasel words that come out SF/IRA supporters that amplify and exaggerates every little deed by FG or FF or the Greens.... but when it comes to actual murder and glorifying it, then it's all, 'Nothing to see here, sure it was a war, m'kay?'
SF/IRA Same same but 'different'
blanch152 wrote: » I think the points being raised relate to the homophobic racist and sexist nature of much of the SF-supporting contingent on Twitter. I don't see the connection with that tweet, unless you are trying to divert.
Deleted User wrote: » i would surely ask what screaming/impliing racist,bigot and homophobe at anyone dare not vote ffg,is meant to do for polical discourse??
markodaly wrote: » Exhibit 'A' on what is wrong with online political discourse, a dishonest attempt at engaging and passes off opinion as fact. Very ironic given the article I posted.
markodaly wrote: » It begs the question, are SF uncomfortable with their PIRA background and their collective colourful history of murders? After all, when MLMD went on RTE Radio and stated that 'some' people have a different interpretation of history then the mainstream, we had a collective orgasm of some here, who agreed with her. But then, when you utter SF/IRA people don't like it... so what is it folks, you want rid of the PIRA background of SF or not? Are you ashamed of the PIRA?
Deleted User wrote: » Would it be sexist to say a woman couldnt run a political party and imply its men in background doing so And what would such a suggestion imply for political discourse?
FrancieBrady wrote: » What's 'dishonest' about it? Why would you want to create an 'anonymous' account unless you wished to do something in secret?
Secret groups – and this is how they are described by Facebook – are hidden from searches, and so are invisible. They, too, require an invitation to join. Some people who were once in the group found themselves out in the cold and unable to find it when they went looking. They presumed it had been taken down by Facebook because, as sources said, there could have been content on there that might cause problems for the party. When contacted early in December by The Irish Times, a spokeswoman for Facebook said: “We’ve looked into this group and can confirm it is still live as a secret group. Facebook has not removed the group.”
FrancieBrady wrote: » I couldn't care less how you refer to them, as long as your friends don't try to claim you don't use the term and as long as you accept that all the main parties on this island were born out of bloodshed and violence. Knock yourself out. I personally voted for SF for the first time when I was happy the IRA had done what it said it would do when the GFA was signed. They are no different (only in the context of time passing) to FF or FG IMO, parties I was also happy to vote for.
markodaly wrote: » So, you have no issue with me calling them, SF/IRA ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » As this thread has shown...FG have NO ISSUE with homophobic racist and sexist parties as long as they are the RIGHT type of homophobic, racist and sexist parties. They actually invite them to their party conference and applaud them. They are also silent when this party expresses it's homophobic, racist and sexist views.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Which is all great unless you have read this poster using the term to describe the party in the present.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115495790&postcount=6326https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115411305 That was just a quick search.
markodaly wrote: » Why did SF make their own Facebook group a secret?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/secret-facebook-group-reveals-bitter-tirades-and-abuse-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-opponents-1.4440745 I wonder who many other secret SF groups are out there, threatening to cut Leo's neck. Not a good look Francie, not a good look at all!
blanch152 wrote: » I think that this is a first here, Francie admitting that Sinn Fein are every bit as homophobic, racist and sexist as the DUP, and the only issue he has is that FG speak to one but not the other. I would much prefer that they spoke to neither, but as a nationalist party there is an argument that FG should reach out to the other side. By giving the cold shoulder to the racists, homophobes and sexists on the nationalist side, they are also giving a signal that they want a different future. Now, I haven't seen any press conference where FG have been asked about DUP comments and remained silent. If you have transcripts, please let us know.
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