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mickdw

Harika wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1358417351167922178

Bernie gets involved, hilarious

Is that legit or is it simply Storey pulling an old photo of himself and Bernie and making up a story to go with it? Nothing would be beyond him in terms of scamming.
If Bernie is involved, could he have been there all along with an underhand play to get back in and cause some trouble.

mickdw

AMKC wrote: »

This is cool. Amazing to think in these times of CAD and computer the Adrian Newey still using a drawing board,

https://www.facebook.com/568665409957112/posts/2020349951455310/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Also I see there is rumours of Compass racing getting into Formula 1 next year.

Newey then needs a team of people to digitise his work.
How much can you realistically do on paper though related to a modern day f1 car.
Yes, an initial concept and base drawings but surely then the virtual design tools around aero etc will push the design forward and there is just zero room for reintroducing paper drawings in that situation.

PopePalpatine

Speaking of Bernie, I'm surprised he hasn't tried dipping his toe back into race promoting. I'm sure there'd be a dozen or so despots who'd be happy to showcase their countries in some sort of throwback series with screaming NA engines.

recyclebin

I wish people would stop posting about that fraudster. He uses twitter to go fishing and see who bites.....and the other guy used to own Rich Energy :P

recyclebin

mickdw wrote: »

Newey then needs a team of people to digitise his work.
How much can you realistically do on paper though related to a modern day f1 car.
Yes, an initial concept and base drawings but surely then the virtual design tools around aero etc will push the design forward and there is just zero room for reintroducing paper drawings in that situation.

That's what I was thinking too. You can draw concepts on paper but F1 is measured in 1/1000 of a mm which you don't get with a pencil.

El_Duderino 09

mickdw wrote: »

Is that legit or is it simply Storey pulling an old photo of himself and Bernie and making up a story to go with it? Nothing would be beyond him in terms of scamming.
If Bernie is involved, could he have been there all along with an underhand play to get back in and cause some trouble.

When I see Storey, I default to assuming it’s BS. I’ll believe it when I see it.

AMKC

mickdw wrote: »

Is that legit or is it simply Storey pulling an old photo of himself and Bernie and making up a story to go with it? Nothing would be beyond him in terms of scamming.
If Bernie is involved, could he have been there all along with an underhand play to get back in and cause some trouble.

The only team I can see this cowboy been on is Aston Martin. Maybe he made his millions from all the razors he never bought because he is to mean to shave or get his beard cut. Who knows. Or maybe just maybe he is a big gangster and liar like the Kinahans.

Frank Bullitt

Harika wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1358417351167922178

Bernie gets involved, hilarious

I believe him as far as I can throw him.

A complete charlatan.

mickdw

Looking at the photo of Storey and Bernie, he is sporting the old logo on his cap so that would suggest its an old image that he has just recycled to suit his latest fantasy or else he is taking the piss out of the courts that found he was not entitled to use the image.

El_Duderino 09

mickdw wrote: »

Looking at the photo of Storey and Bernie, he is sporting the old logo on his cap so that would suggest its an old image that he has just recycled to suit his latest fantasy or else he is taking the piss out of the courts that found he was not entitled to use the image.

That’s a great spot. I looked at the picture and then realised they’re not social distancing so it has to be an old photo.

vectra

Harika wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1358417351167922178

Bernie gets involved, hilarious

That photo is from at least 2019 if not earlier.

Fwox

BBDBB wrote: »

I could see it being Max, he does have two years still on his red Bull contract - although I think I read that he has a get out clause

Given the reliability issues last season, 5 DNF's is shocking! he could well decide to walk into the Merc seat for 2022 given he can exit RB early due to the loss of Honda at the end of 2021, and if RB don't succeed in attaining an engine freeze for 2022 I could easily see it happening.

Max and George team mates, I can see it now

AMKC

Fwox wrote: »

Given the reliability issues last season, 5 DNF's is shocking! he could well decide to walk into the Merc seat for 2022 given he can exit RB early due to the loss of Honda at the end of 2021, and if RB don't succeed in attaining an engine freeze for 2022 I could easily see it happening.

Max and George team mates, I can see it now

That would be great to see.

recyclebin

Toto has commented on all the rumours around Hamiltons new contract saying they were false, no team mate clause or revenue sharing. He was also very open about Daimler considering their future in F1 past 2021. This has been coming a long time, when McLaren signed up for their enignes the writing had been on the wall. Toto and Ineos may end up buying out Daimler and Mercedes go back to supplying engines only.

https://www.pitpass.com/69074/No-teammate-veto-no-TV-money-no-problems-says-Wolff-of-Hamilton-deal

Top Dog

AMKC wrote: »

That would be great to see.

I'd disagree. Max is the only one capable of bringing the fight to Mercedes (Perez may prove me wrong). If I'm right, then if you put Max in a Merc there's even less competition. Merc 1st and 2nd ... and third not within an asses road of them. It would create an even greater 2 tier formula if all else remains similar. We need Max to stay where he is to have some bit of competition.

duploelabs

recyclebin wrote: »

That's what I was thinking too. You can draw concepts on paper but F1 is measured in 1/1000 of a mm which you don't get with a pencil.

Gordon Murray uses the analogue version of design too, and he's produced some brilliant cars also

mickdw

duploelabs wrote: »

Gordon Murray uses the analogue version of design too, and he's produced some brilliant cars also

Murrays time in f1 was more of a case of a few guys in a drawing room. Ive seen at length interviews with him and it would appear thst in his earlier f1 days he was the only designer covering mechanics and aero.
Even when he arrived at mclaren, things were primitive.
I get how you could draw something like the mclaren F1 on paper and finalise it and make alterations etc - concorde was designed and build via thousands of paper drawings but my point was that in modern f1 where the design process relies on computer modelling of airflow as much as windtunnel work, modern 3d cad systems are used within the simulations - introducing paper into this process would be impossible.
Im sure neweys new ideas are drawn on paper and brought into the electronic world but you couldnt have a paper based drawing office in f1 today. They would get left behind development wise.
I work with house design etc and tbh, even my work would be impossible now on paper.

Harika

Algarve Portugal has been confirmed as third race this year.
Bahrain-imola-portugal is the plan for now.

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

Algarve Portugal has been confirmed as third race this year.
Bahrain-imola-portugal is the plan for now.

Ah right. I thought Portugal was off the cards. But I suppose we're talking about April so hopefully they will have sorted things out by then.

Is there a double race in Bahrain or just the single, as originally planned?

Harika

Single one with still 23 races in the pipeline

flazio

Do we know which layout they are using in Bahrain?

PopePalpatine

flazio wrote: »

Do we know which layout they are using in Bahrain?

The usual one AFAIK.

Jordan 199

Would be nice if the outie layout at Bahrain would be used again this year as the race with the outie layout there last year was epic.

flazio

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Would be nice if the outie layout at Bahrain would be used again this year as the race with the outie layout there last year was epic.

True, but that was mainly down to Mercedes-Benz having an off weekend rather than anything special about the track. I'd say had Hamilton been there we'd have been glad to see the back of it and let us never speak of it again.

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Thought the racing on the outer track was decent. Some good moves in the twisty bits that didn't look on as well. Nice to see it rather just at the end (hopefully) of a long straight.

Inquitus

The Sprint race concept seems to favour whoever is fastest? So Merc qualify first, win the sprint race and qualify on pole for Sunday, garnering more points then they would a have on an ordinary weekend.

the_pen_turner

Inquitus wrote: »

The Sprint race concept seems to favour whoever is fastest? So Merc qualify first, win the sprint race and qualify on pole for Sunday, garnering more points then they would a have on an ordinary weekend.

sprint races would have a diferent running order be that reverse grid or random etc. so the fasters cars will have to overtake to get to the lead.
nothing wrong with the fastest car winning , thats what should happen most of the time.

Inquitus

the_pen_turner wrote: »

sprint races would have a diferent running order be that reverse grid or random etc. so the fasters cars will have to overtake to get to the lead.
nothing wrong with the fastest car winning , thats what should happen most of the time.

No, what they are voting on is Friday qualifying for a Sat sprint race that determines the Sunday grid order.

the_pen_turner

Inquitus wrote: »

No, what they are voting on is Friday qualifying for a Sat sprint race that determines the Sunday grid order.

oh ok. i dont like that. thats pointless.

El_Duderino 09

Inquitus wrote: »

The Sprint race concept seems to favour whoever is fastest? So Merc qualify first, win the sprint race and qualify on pole for Sunday, garnering more points then they would a have on an ordinary weekend.

Isn’t it supposed to favour whoever is fastest and shouldn’t the fastest score the most points?

It’s a gimmick to make qualifying a two stage process (quali sets the grid for the sprint race and the sprint race sets the grid for the actual race). And points are awarded for the actual race.

It would mean there’s really two starts. And that starts are often amongst the best bits of a race( and it would probably suit Stroll who tends to gain places off the start).