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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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kennethsmyth

VonLuck wrote: »

Again, there's not much you can do about bad drivers on the road. You just need to look out for yourself and avoid danger if you can.

You've just proven my point! You can cycle defensively, take the central line etc. and be completely in the right, but there's nothing you can do about dangerous drivers.

Actually you can do multiple things you can do about dangerous drivers.

1. Be aware of your surroundings and other drivers.
2. If someone is not looking at you from an exit then assume they haven’t seen you.
3. If a driver does something on purpose that was dangerous report them
4. Follow up on report and don’t take no for an answer from Garda.
5. Make there reg number visible on YouTube so if they have multiple incidents they can be charged more seriously.

This will reduce the amount of dangerous drivers and increase the realisation of what is acceptable driving.

Eamonnator

@kennethsmyth
As my grandmother used say: "you've the patience of Job"
I can't remember, who Job was, but apparently, he was a very patient man.

VonLuck

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Actually you can do multiple things you can do about dangerous drivers.

1. Be aware of your surroundings and other drivers.
2. If someone is not looking at you from an exit then assume they haven’t seen you.
3. If a driver does something on purpose that was dangerous report them
4. Follow up on report and don’t take no for an answer from Garda.
5. Make there reg number visible on YouTube so if they have multiple incidents they can be charged more seriously.

This will reduce the amount of dangerous drivers and increase the realisation of what is acceptable driving.

1. Won't stop any driver from behaving dangerously, you are just avoiding being in a position where a dangerous driver can impact you
2. Same as point 1. Effectively what I was saying earlier about avoiding putting yourself into potentially dangerous situations.
3. Again, that won't undo the driver behaving dangerously in the moment. Might help prevent future incidents though.
4. As per point 3.
5. As per point 3.

As Picard once said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose."

Look, everything you're saying is right at limiting the risk, but there still will be a risk when you're on the road as opposed to a cycle lane.

kennethsmyth

VonLuck wrote: »

1. Won't stop any driver from behaving dangerously, you are just avoiding being in a position where a dangerous driver can impact you
2. Same as point 1. Effectively what I was saying earlier about avoiding putting yourself into potentially dangerous situations.
3. Again, that won't undo the driver behaving dangerously in the moment. Might help prevent future incidents though.
4. As per point 3.
5. As per point 3.

As Picard once said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose."

Look, everything you're saying is right at limiting the risk, but there still will be a risk when you're on the road as opposed to a cycle lane.

There is also a risk on cycle path, going on and off or someone/something stepping onto it. At some point of mitigation of risk it becomes that you are not actually living and have zero experiences due to reducing risk. Cycling on road is normal, drivers need to expect cyclists and so long as the cyclists are not taking the mick then there should be no frustration between either party.

Eamonnator

VonLuck wrote: »

1. Won't stop any driver from behaving dangerously, you are just avoiding being in a position where a dangerous driver can impact you
2. Same as point 1. Effectively what I was saying earlier about avoiding putting yourself into potentially dangerous situations.
3. Again, that won't undo the driver behaving dangerously in the moment. Might help prevent future incidents though.
4. As per point 3.
5. As per point 3.

As Picard once said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose."

Look, everything you're saying is right at limiting the risk, but there still will be a risk when you're on the road as opposed to a cycle lane.

Are you seriously using a fictional character to back up an argument?

kennethsmyth

Eamonnator wrote: »

@kennethsmyth
As my grandmother used say: "you've the patience of Job"
I can't remember, who Job was, but apparently, he was a very patient man.

Ha ha, I have a habit of playing the long game alright.

[Deleted User]

Eamonnator wrote: »

@kennethsmyth
As my grandmother used say: "you've the patience of Job"
I can't remember, who Job was, but apparently, he was a very patient man.

We had a priest at school who liked to tell us about Job and his patience, I remember putting it to him that it seemed to me that Job was actually a more a stubborn and persistent guy than a patient one. He didn't like my take on Job at all.

doughef

Hi guys

Just wondering if there is something in the charter about posting pictures of peoples cars, with the registration clearly visible .

Is this not against GDPR regulations ?

doughef

Weepsie wrote: »

No. People are not identifiable by a car registration plate. Also, driving your car on a public road, you are allowed be filmed/photographed etc.

Youtube would have a hell of a time cleaning stuff up if it was remotely a problem.

Ok cool- thanks

ED E

Nice try Doug.

doughef

cletus wrote: »

Is the reg not clearly visible while he's driving around the road?

There's no expectation of privacy when in a public place

Edit: multiple people in ahead of me

Yes, but capturing it and posting it to social media platform without consent might be against the regulations?
Also .. these drivers are being accused of acting illegally without their knowledge.
Surely that’s against the regulations/ law ?

breezy1985

doughef wrote: »

Yes, but capturing it and posting it to social media platform without consent might be against the regulations?
Also .. these drivers are being accused of acting illegally without their knowledge.
Surely that’s against the regulations/ law ?

What ya do then there doug is stop waffling on about it and back seat modding posts and report them using the report button

doughef

breezy1985 wrote: »

What ya do then there doug is stop waffling on about it and back seat modding posts and report them using the report button

I was only asking the question - but I agree, anything I feel is illegal or breaks any EU regulations will be reported.

Stay safe

07Lapierre

doughef wrote: »

I was only asking the question - but I agree, anything I feel is illegal or breaks any EU regulations will be reported.

Stay safe

You don’t know the ROTR
You don’t know GDPR

Stay safe.

doughef

magicbastarder wrote: »

under the law or under social media regulations? i can't see either having anything to say on the matter. if you take a video in a public place of an occurrence in a public place, it's legal to upload it to social media.
and regarding the car reg being visible. that's the point of a car reg, it legally must be visible.

if they're being incorrectly accused of acting illegally - for example, if the video had been edited to misrepresent the situation - then i suspect you could be right. however, if it's a straight unedited clip, it's a bit more straightforward.

Thanks for the genuine reply .

I do feel there is cause for concern if we can openly accuse people of acting illegally without their consent ?

Eg - I see a friend of mine accused (in the wrong) of driving illegally .
I report the post to him and he challenges boards.ie ?

doughef

magicbastarder wrote: »

but we can do that anyway.
i could accuse you of being a criminal, without evidence, by posting that (just using plain text); but we don't remove the ability of users to post anything, based on them thus having that capability.

if there is a case where there's a genuine concern that someone has been accused of something in the wrong, that's dealt with as and when it happens.

That makes sense

Thanks

Kaisr Sose

doughef wrote: »

I’m quite genuine. Just because you don’t like the truth.

Simple fact is the guy chose to ignore the cycle land and place himself in harms way.

(Waits for ban)

For what it's worth, a motorist is obliged to overtake safely in all situations and avoid hazards or not create them by the own manner of driving. If its not safe, then the overtake is deemed wreckless, careless or dangerous. Respect all road users right to use the road in a safe manner, that's the spirit of the rules of the road.
That overtake was not safe and not a pleasant experience for the OP. Such behaviour by motorist who refuse to slow or pass at a safe distance is all too common. I doubt you care about that.

CramCycle

MOD VOICE: There isn't an issue here in regards posting videos with number plates being visible. This said, in future, if you think there is an issue, report it, don't drag it up in thread. This is off topic and derailing the thread. If you wish to discus, it's via PM only, in thread will end up with a card or ban.

The J Stands for Jay

doughef wrote: »

You fly boys craic me up !!

Just obey the rules / be where your meant to be and all will be ok.
We can’t pick and chose which rules apply to us.

Stay safe

Yeah, they should be further to the right. Good call doughy.

Kaisr Sose

doughef wrote: »

I doubt you know what I care about ?
Cheers though

I am sorry, you post on a cycling forum that it was the cyclists own fault that someone close passed them, where its clear that it was anything but their fault.

You havent a clue. No doubt about that at all.

Cheers

kennethsmyth

doughef wrote: »

I firmly believe there’s an issue here .

Fines for breach of GDPR are astronomical

Doug if this car was owned by a friend of yours you’d be better off telling them to drive with more care for others. By the way I was part of my companies team on GDPR when it was introduced so I’m aware of what can be decimated publicly. If you or your friend feels that I am accusing them incorrectly get an injunction on the video and sue me, the video speaks for itself.

I have also just seen your earlier post which states I ignored the cycle lane and put myself in harms way,

I did not ignore the cycle lane, I choose not to use it, I was fully observant if it and was completely within my rights to use the road instead.

I also did not put myself in harms way, the driver of the car did. You are victim blaming (not a word I use lightly as I believe there is too much pc these days stiffing debate).

I had intended on letting this one go as there will always be other even worse incidents but you can tell your friend to thank you for getting their dangerous driving reported.

kennethsmyth

buffalo wrote: »

Indeed, I asked the same question, but there was no meaningful engagement from the faceless bureaucratic automatons.

edit: I also asked why the reg was considered PII, but also no answer to that.

Post the video again with reg in title

VonLuck

kennethsmyth wrote: »

There is also a risk on cycle path, going on and off or someone/something stepping onto it. At some point of mitigation of risk it becomes that you are not actually living and have zero experiences due to reducing risk. Cycling on road is normal, drivers need to expect cyclists and so long as the cyclists are not taking the mick then there should be no frustration between either party.

All I'm saying is that if you want to avoid (serious) risks, cycle slowly on a dedicated cycle lane if there's one provided. Everyone is free to do what they want if they're in the bounds of the law.

Eamonnator wrote: »

Are you seriously using a fictional character to back up an argument?

There is an awful undertone of negativity/aggression on this thread whenever someone disagrees with the general opinion. It's not conducive to good discussion.

07Lapierre

VonLuck wrote: »

All I'm saying is that if you want to avoid (serious) risks, cycle slowly on a dedicated cycle lane if there's one provided. Everyone is free to do what they want if they're in the bounds of the law.

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In the video posted earlier, what law did the cyclist break?

kennethsmyth

VonLuck wrote: »

All I'm saying is that if you want to avoid (serious) risks, cycle slowly on a dedicated cycle lane if there's one provided. Everyone is free to do what they want if they're in the bounds of the law.

There is an awful undertone of negativity/aggression on this thread whenever someone disagrees with the general opinion. It's not conducive to good discussion.

When I cycle in Dublin (prior march 2020

) I use any dedicated cycle lane or path, shared ones are asking for trouble and not suitable for a pedelac or faster moving bicycle. This one is shared and asking for trouble including little scr**ts pushing you off.

breezy1985

VonLuck wrote: »

All I'm saying is that if you want to avoid (serious) risks, cycle slowly on a dedicated cycle lane if there's one provided. Everyone is free to do what they want if they're in the bounds of the law.

There is an awful undertone of negativity/aggression on this thread whenever someone disagrees with the general opinion. It's not conducive to good discussion.

Would you also then recommend that all cars travel at 30kph at all times even in 60 zones and motorways because statistically it is safer. Would you double your commute time to avoid law breaking cars ?

The J Stands for Jay

- Video posted showing poor, dangerous driving which causes a high risk of serious injury/death to a cyclist correctly using the road in accordance with road traffic acts and SIs.

- Posters react and tell cyclist to wear hivis and cycle in the broken glass and potholes.

- Cyclists react with negativity.

-

VonLuck wrote: »

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There is an awful undertone of negativity/aggression on this thread whenever someone disagrees with the general opinion. It's not conducive to good discussion.

CramCycle

MOD VOICE: doughef is on a holiday, do not respond to doughefs posts while they are not here as it is unfair. I will be combing through the thread later to tidy it up.

VonLuck

07Lapierre wrote: »

In the video posted earlier, what law did the cyclist break?

None. Where did I say the cyclist broke any laws? In fact I specifically said that you're allowed to do what you want as long as you don't break any laws!

kennethsmyth wrote: »

When I cycle in Dublin (prior march 2020 ) I use any dedicated cycle lane or path, shared ones are asking for trouble and not suitable for a pedelac or faster moving bicycle. This one is shared and asking for trouble including little scr**ts pushing you off.

Not criticising you at all, or anyone for that matter. Everyone's situation is different. All I was trying to say is that it is generally safer to use dedicated lanes, even if shared, but you may have to compromise on speed as a result.

breezy1985 wrote: »

Would you also then recommend that all cars travel at 30kph at all times even in 60 zones and motorways because statistically it is safer. Would you double your commute time to avoid law breaking cars ?

Hard to even retort to that because it's not comparable at all. Slower speeds on motorways can be more dangerous and you would need everyone to buy-in for it to really be safer.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but some people value safety over speed when on a bicycle. Up to you which one you prioritise and it doesn't really bother me which one you choose.

McGaggs wrote: »

- Video posted showing poor, dangerous driving which causes a high risk of serious injury/death to a cyclist correctly using the road in accordance with road traffic acts and SIs.

- Posters react and tell cyclist to wear hivis and cycle in the broken glass and potholes.

- Cyclists react with negativity.

-

I never said anything about Hi-Vis jackets or cycling in broken glass or potholes

The J Stands for Jay

VonLuck wrote: »

I never said anything about Hi-Vis jackets or cycling in broken glass or potholes

You're just in the negative vibes bit.