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Tesla Model S

Gumbo

I'm test driving one on 6th April.
Any specific questions

No, I'm not buying, it's part of the SEAI Sustainable Ireland Convention in the RDS

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slave1

In fairness that's because we've hit a refresh model time period where production of RHD cars is temporarily suspended as they prioritise LHD production.

mfceiling

Gumbo wrote: »

This time next year i believe.
It takes about 3 mins to buy a €100k car took me longer to buy my iPhone

Wow!! That is madness!!

Gumbo

mfceiling wrote: »

What is the "actual" waiting time for the model S?

If I went on the Tesla website today and built my car when would it realistically be on my driveway?

This time next year i believe.
It takes about 3 mins to buy a €100k car

took me longer to buy my iPhone

mfceiling

What is the "actual" waiting time for the model S?

If I went on the Tesla website today and built my car when would it realistically be on my driveway?

slave1

Basically an external refresh void of any aluminium bodywork forming tool changes.

I’d like to see a front on comparison as the vents at the front fully open after a few supercharges a day to cool the battery down, and boy is that noisy.

Gumbo

Kramer wrote: »

Is this spot the difference? Because if it is, I lose .

Tat was the point of that picture I’d say. Front bumper, side skirts, rear bumper, dechrome and wheels major difference on the outside. Will take a keen eye to spot the difference.

The same eye would spot the difference between an iPhone 11 and iPhone 12.

It’s the battery, range, interior and performance that sees the main differences.

unkel

Front and rear aerodynamics look a bit fresher. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I prefer the chrome. The chrome delete looks cheap and plasticky imho

Interior is a huge improvement, the landscape screen was the obvious way to go but I'm glad we're not getting that steering wheel. That said, it's one of those things, you'd probably get used to, even take to over time

Kramer

Gumbo wrote: »

Good comparison photo with the 2021 refresh model.

Is this spot the difference? Because if it is, I lose

Gumbo

Good comparison photo with the 2021 refresh model.

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Just a thought, with the refresh model now the production model and only coming from the US and they only producing LHD does that basically mean no new Model S for Ireland apart from what's on ships etc at present?

Temporary boost for used Model S value?

Looks like that has happened already, but for a different reason: no more imports from the UK.

slave1

Just a thought, with the refresh model now the production model and only coming from the US and they only producing LHD does that basically mean no new Model S for Ireland apart from what's on ships etc at present?

Temporary boost for used Model S value?

sk8board

unkel wrote: »

Not sure why people compare a Taycan with a Tesla Model S? Completely different setup. Taycan is a medium size 4 seater sports saloon. Not really practical as a family car. Particulary if you are a family of 5 You need to compare it to a similar size and form factor Tesla Model 3

Tesla Model S is not a sports car. It's a large family hatchback, bigger even than a Mercedes S-class or BMW 7-series

Couldn’t agree more. The S is an amazing car, but it’s not a sports car, it’s a really expensive 5 seater sedan, with a similar new buyer to a bmw 750Li perhaps?
yet every Tesla driver constantly recites 0-60 times to two decimal places like it’s something the ghoys at the clubhouse car park can relate to.
Drag times are meaningless in the real world.

If you are doing 0-60 in 2s to impress your friends or family, in reality the first time is amazing and the next time is just vomit in the passenger footwell. Lots of it.

unkel

Not sure why people compare a Taycan with a Tesla Model S? Completely different setup. Taycan is a medium size 4 seater sports saloon. Not really practical as a family car. Particulary if you are a family of 5

You need to compare it to a similar size and form factor Tesla Model 3

Tesla Model S is not a sports car. It's a large family hatchback, bigger even than a Mercedes S-class or BMW 7-series

sk8board

Mitch Connor wrote: »

apart from being a porsche, what makes the Taycan better for similar money?

S is faster and has more range. I wouldn't be wild on he Taycan interior either.

Is it the fact it is a Porsche and probably drives/handles better?

Yes and yes.
Normal people don’t mash the throttle of their car every time they are moving forward - I can do 0-60 in apparently 4.7s, and I’ve even got launch control apparently(!) but I feel like a tit every time I do it around other drivers (and rightly so).
The Tesla is literally a 0-60 machine - the one thing I might do a few times, for everything else I’d have the taycan, in an Irish context.
As for the range discussion, the model S has more range than any Irish buyers will need (people spending €100k on a S aren’t travelling salesmen!)

As for the f%%king ‘ring’ discussion, it’s utter nonsense - for every car of every propulsion.

so yes, if I somehow had €120k to spend on the Taycan or the S, and nothing else, I’d pick whatever taycan is at that price point as a personal choice (and that’s before we get into the conversation about the clear association that being a Tesla driver gets with being a Musk fanboy - that will matter to many people).

unkel

Here's the link to the website from the lady in Norway I mentioned who hand makes the cubby drawers (also specifically for RHD cars):

Linky

slave1

PS also got some of these to stick on the inside of the centre console area, very very handy and keeping everything nice and neat

slave1

Gumbo wrote: »

That was my problem before, any I found for sale was for LHD and they wouldnt confirm that they would fit a RHD properly

Snap, would hate ill fitting one, ended up with some of those phone self sticky thingy pads and leave glass case on top and no issues (non P car).

Itsaduck1

"ELM327 wrote:

Nothing comes close to the Plaid models now.

Wonder where M power, RS, AMG etc go from here?

Don't think they expected this so soon

That Tesla Plaid for €120k hangs with Lewis Hamilton's F1 car up to 160km/h and its out in a few weeks

It'll make an RS5 feel like a Mazda 5 in comparison

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

Can't remember, I ordered one and it never arrived, got another one then. Both cheap from China. There are classier ones, hand made by a lady in Norway, should be easy enough to google that. You have OCD, so you might want to get a RHD version, which fits slightly better than all the cheap ones which are LHD

That was my problem before, any I found for sale was for LHD and they wouldnt confirm that they would fit a RHD properly

unkel

Gumbo wrote: »

I'm still suffering from this. I need to buy a cubby drawer. Where did you get yours?

Can't remember, I ordered one and it never arrived, got another one then. Both cheap from China. There are classier ones, hand made by a lady in Norway, should be easy enough to google that. You have OCD, so you might want to get a RHD version, which fits slightly better than all the cheap ones which are LHD

Cyrus wrote: »

not that it matters but one would guess that if you put both around a track the porsche would be the quicker car (from what ive seen teslas are quick in a straight line but tend to fall down in handling tests).

Your knowledge might be a bit behind. Since the OTA software update of track mode for the Model 3 performance, it now is faster round a circuit than the king of small sports saloons, the BMW M3 (which is tens of thousands of EUR more expensive). You've had your performance cars in the past, go test drive the Model 3 P from Sandyford, stick it in track mode (I did 85-15 RWD bias with drivers aids kept to a minimum) and take it to some challenging roads and drive it hard. You might be surprised. I was.

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

...so you drive around looking for your sub 7 minuter, all the while watching your battery % to leave enough range to get to the Ionity charger :P

Well, you'd only need to leave about 10%. I wouldn't want to drive on track in any electric car with less than 10% charge.

So if you charge to 100% beforehand that gives you 80% to work with.

The M3P gets about half an hour going hard round the track, so I'd imagine you'd get at least three laps out of it before going for a break to Ionity.

From what I dimly remember of driving the 'ring, three laps is loads!

BobbyBingo

Reservation confirmed. A year or so to tell the missus. I'm pretty convinced that once you achieve rotation speed, you will be able to pull back on that wheel in order to takeoff...:D

ELM327

...so you drive around looking for your sub 7 minuter, all the while watching your battery % to leave enough range to get to the Ionity charger :P

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

Performance on a track is not relevant when you only have 300km of range in the taycan, you can't take it to a track.

There's an Ionity charger 30km from the 'ring. :pac:

ELM327

Taycan may give 370-390km in the real world but put that on a track and it dissipates quickly.
Of course the plaid has not been tested in the real world but the current S Performance has above 600km real world range so it's not too difficult to expect 800 as published for the plaid+ trimotor and likely 120kWh battery.

The etron is a great EV, I love Audi SUVs and I especially love it's great charge curve. But it's awful on range, you'd struggle to get 250km from it in winter. It's not a model X competitor, more a competitor for the ipace and eqc

Cyrus

ELM327 wrote: »

Performance on a track is not relevant when you only have 300km of range in the taycan, you can't take it to a track.
I remember reading the plaid was quicker around a track (possibly the 'ring?) than the taycan, when both were prototypes anyway.

If you have 300km in the Taycan Turbo S and you have 800km in the Model S PLaid+ for 40k less, with faster acceleration and a better charging network, I can't see many buying the taycan!

maybe i remember seeing the etron 55 v the model x (which was appreciably more powerful) and the etron handled much better (that being relative of course :pac:)

But if the range differential is actually 500km thats a big deal although if it was my money id struggle to spend that kind of cash on something like a model s (what i mean by that is a large pretty standard looking saloon thats been on the go 7-8 years), the taycan would appeal more.

ive seen a few real world reviews of the turbo s returning 370-390km (https://insideevs.com/reviews/395038/porsche-taycan-road-trip-240-mile-range/) has the plaid been tested in real world conditions for 800km?

ELM327

Performance on a track is not relevant when you only have 300km of range in the taycan, you can't take it to a track.
I remember reading the plaid was quicker around a track (possibly the 'ring?) than the taycan, when both were prototypes anyway.

If you have 300km in the Taycan Turbo S and you have 800km in the Model S PLaid+ for 40k less, with faster acceleration and a better charging network, I can't see many buying the taycan!

Cyrus

ELM327 wrote: »

Badge identity

That too.

Worth noting that for the same money as the worse performing Turbo (ie not the turbo S) taycan, you could have the Plaid+ model S with over double the range and better performance than the top of the range (and 40k more expensive) taycan.

Nothing comes close to the Plaid models now.

not that it matters but one would guess that if you put both around a track the porsche would be the quicker car (from what ive seen teslas are quick in a straight line but tend to fall down in handling tests).

After that its brand recognition and build quality.

Range is a differentiator for sure but it gets to a point where range is less important, i.e. if you can do 400km per charge, for MOST people, an extra 200km is not really that important (in ireland at least) if you are already used to running an EV.

ELM327

Mitch Connor wrote: »

apart from being a porsche, what makes the Taycan better for similar money?

S is faster and has more range. I wouldn't be wild on he Taycan interior either.

Is it the fact it is a Porsche and probably drives/handles better?

Badge identity

slave1 wrote: »

Quality of build I'd imagine

That too.

Worth noting that for the same money as the worse performing Turbo (ie not the turbo S) taycan, you could have the Plaid+ model S with over double the range and better performance than the top of the range (and 40k more expensive) taycan.

Nothing comes close to the Plaid models now.

slave1

Quality of build I'd imagine