fantaiscool wrote: » Stupid tweet by her. Quite offensive. I've seen her quoted here a few times. Did you trawl through her tweets looking for ones like this? Genuinely curious.
Gatling wrote: » But in reality his whole family will arrive and they will all be given asylum and citizenship because it's the nice thing to do
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » if she gets racially abused, then she deserves it. Play with fire you get burned, simple as that
dog_pig wrote: » I would really like to be able to support this talented young activist but I find her use of racial epithets very troubling. I thought this is the exact type of thing that we are trying to get away from? It's hard to take articles like the one below at face value when she uses such racist terms.https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/young-people-and-activism-you-can-t-stand-by-and-hope-everything-s-going-to-be-okay-1.4461250
Deleted User wrote: » Come on, you can't be this blind to the practicalities of immigration, and hosting different groups in a foreign (foreign to them, and so, without the usual supports) nation. I shouldn't need a disclaimer here but I can see I need one with you. First, my opinions are my own. Nothing to do with Wibbs or other posters. They might like my post, but i know they don't agree with everything I say.. Second, this is not about migrants being good or bad individually. These are generalisations. If you can't accept that.. well.. I wonder why you're discussing such a topic at all. Now. Immigration groups: Genuine Asylum seeker. No problem at all. If they meet the requirements, I'd welcome them with open arms.. although I do think the requirements need to re-evaluated from time to time, and not from the perspective of the UN, but from the perspective of the host nation (that's the one receiving them) Economic migrants. Temporary. (which is important) Two distinct groups. Skilled/educated migrants who are meeting established needs within the economy. Totally welcome. They'll work hard, save money, pay their taxes, and move on eventually. Unskilled/low educated migrants. I've said it before, and no doubt I'll say it again.. Ireland doesn't have the economy or industry focus to support large numbers of unskilled labor. Other countries such as Germany or France do.. and even they're having issues with employing them consistently. Economic migrants. Permanent, residency or citizenship. Skilled/educated migrants who are meeting established needs within the economy. Again, totally welcome. Unskilled/low educated migrants... cost the state too much to upskill and provide for during the period that they're being upskilled. Results across Europe show a surprisingly low success rate in educating such migrant groups, and while the blame is being directed at the nations involved, simple logic suggests that some must rest with these migrants. A large percentage stay on welfare during their education, and return to it after. Refugees. That's a tough one because it's been allowed to expand into economic as opposed to purely due to war. I don't believe we should be accepting them, and that they should be heading to neighboring countries, waiting until they can return home to rebuild. Hopefully, leading their country into a new future of enlightenment and peace. As OEJ said earlier, I do favor the Australian approach to immigration. I don't see the point in importing an underclass of unskilled/lowly educated people into the country, when we already have such groups of our own. Europe has a rather large unemployment rate depending on which countries you examine, and I feel that we would be much better off tapping into that labor market than importing or encouraging groups from countries which are distinctly different than ours culturally. Which leads into multiculturalism, where I feel Ireland would be better off focusing on improving links to other European countries, rather than bringing in peoples whose values and beliefs are often distinctly different from ours. The effects of multiculturalism are well documented throughout Europe, which rarely show any friction between European cultural groups, but has shown increasing friction with groups from outside Europe. I'd favor a set limit on immigration from Africa, M.East and S.America. I'm less bothered by Asians, as they tend to avoid any trouble leading to friction, don't demand recognition of their culture, and are usually very successful in finding work. I'm interested in a pragmatic system being put in place, that provides what migrants need to be a success (education, work placement, etc) but sets a time limit for how long migrants can fail before becoming self-sufficient. I'd favor deportations for any migrant who fails to become self-sufficient within a 10 year period (assuming that education acquisition was part of that). Any children born during that period would leave with the parents should the fail to meet the requirements. As for multiculturalism and Islam.. Yup.. I have a bone there. Not because I have anything against Islam (or Muslims themselves).. since I've spent time in the M.East and think they're entitled to their cultural choices. However, I do have concerns about Islam in Europe, for example, with what's happening in France, (not just the violence, but the ethnic enclaves, and the colonialism of certain areas by migrant groups).. The issues with Islam and the failure of integration highlight the problems with integration for other racial/cultural groups. So.. there you go. A decent and detailed answer. We'll see whether you deal with it in good faith, or continue as you have so far.
weldoninhio wrote: » You integrate into the culture of the country that has allowed you leave your own and move there. I wouldn't rock up in Saudi demanding sausage and rashers as a "Full Irish" is part of my culture. Moving to another country and speaking your native tongue, socialising only with natives of your own country, and importing "cultural" norms such as women only allowed in a separate room to men and insulting women for wearing makeup etc is not integrating.
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » In an ideal world of course that would be legit. In this particular case he should never be able to gain Irish citizenship nor should his family ever be allowed to come to join him in Ireland.
Gatling wrote: » We don't deport foreign Criminals or those asylum seekers involved in human trafficking ,it's a very rare occurrence , there was a lad up on a sexual assault case recently again if you can't live by or within our Laws then please return to your own country. We need a system where foreign Criminals are immediately deported on finishing a sentence
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » An Afghani man, with refugee status, was given a suspended sentence for trying to smuggle people into Europe will be jailed after a State appeal. Akbar Jafari (35) who was caught with 14 fake identity cards and was originally given a fully suspended sentence. Jafari claims he was trying to get his family members into Europe. A three-judge court appealed the original sentence and decided his original sentence was unduly lenient, has now been given one year in prison for the offense. Jafari, told gardaí when he was arrested that he had been in contact with a Nigerian man in Dublin who had agreed to make Jafari 14 fake identities for members of his familyCourtsNewsIreland Status denied &...jhjol
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » no...no...no....robbie said things would be different here, Who cares if there is no evidence nor proof or any data to back up his wild claim. You must agree with him or else he will think all of us have an issue with africans and muslims. How dare you think for yourself.
fantaiscool wrote: » It does amaze me when it can be stated as fact that there is racial tension everywhere in the UK and it's so abundant. These people completely ignore the vast amounts of situations where people of different ethnicity are doing fine together.
pauly58 wrote: » It's been a disaster in the UK so why would anyone think it would be any different here.
Tell me how wrote: » Things must have taken a turn for the better on this thread because any time I've been here before, all I've seen is people saying multiculturalism can't work and the solution is to keep different cultures apart or at least minimise the amount of people of a different culture coming to Ireland. Asking questions about 'Why' is a step in the right direction even if it does seem, as you refer to, some people are still stuck on ignoring where people of different ethnicities are doing fine together.
weldoninhio wrote: » Yeah Jim, the answer is to force EU manufacturing workers out of work and let Africa manufacture things.
Deleted User wrote: » Now you're reaching, since it wasn't stated that this was so widespread. Is there a crisis going on? nope. Should it be considered a problem worth managing? definitely yes. And no, people aren't ignoring the vast amount of situations where people of different ethnicity are doing fine together. People are simply paying attention to the fact that in many cases, they're not doing fine together. And rather than pretend that they are.. they ask the questions about why everyone isn't doing fine together. It amazes me the desire by people to shut down discussions.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Late to the party Jim See below.
bubblypop wrote: » the poster talked about integration, I wanted to know what he meant by that. If you visit your English friend in his house do you take up Morris dancing? Is there some suggestion that they do not follow rules because they stick to their own culture?
bubblypop wrote: » as far as I can see there is literally thousands of non nationals living alongside British people who all get along perfectly well. Are there issues in some places? I have no doubt there are, but there are issues everywhere
fantaiscool wrote: It does amaze me when it can be stated as fact that there is racial tension everywhere in the UK and it's so abundant. These people completely ignore the vast amounts of situations where people of different ethnicity are doing fine together.
the poster talked about integration, I wanted to know what he meant by that.
Jim2007 wrote: » They already have tariff free trade, in fact better than the UK has......https://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2017/november/tradoc_156399.pdf
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Indeed these are exactly the trade agreements I am talking about. But its not all countries and not all goods despite the name. And I never stated Europe was not doing anything to help I simply stated that Europe should help. I believe the EU project is overall a positive for the world.https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:02012R0978-20200812&from=ENhttps://ec.europa.eu/international-partnerships/acp-eu-partnership_en Another way to assist the development of Africa would be rather than export raw materials (look at your link for how much is exported) for production elsewhere instead continue to increase the Foreign direct investment in manufacturing in Africa.https://unctad.org/news/foreign-direct-investment-africa-defies-global-slump-rises-11https://unctad.org/press-material/facts-figures-0
bubblypop wrote: » I know many many areas where there are huge amounts of non nationals living together ( in the UK) those areas are what they are, there is no issue with them. I don't see why there should be? If there is friction based on race, then it is a racist minority. By integration, do you mean giving up their own culture to become more 'British'? why would they have to do that? as far as I can see there is literally thousands of non nationals living alongside British people who all get along perfectly well. Are there issues in some places? I have no doubt there are, but there are issues everywhere
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » There are other methods to help aid the development of the African continents economy though such as improving some of the barriers to trade to allow the african economy to develop.
weldoninhio wrote: » What trade barriers? Most imports from Africa into the EU are duty free.https://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2017/november/tradoc_156399.pdf
weldoninhio wrote: » Because they are living in Britain. That's kind of obvious. If i go to someone else's house I don't put my feet up on their coffee table, because "that's what we do in my house". If I wanna do what I do in my house, I'll head home to my own house to do it. I wouldn't go to someone elses house and demand they follow my rules.
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