Floppybits wrote: » Why the insults? Did you need to respond as you did? Could you not address the points I made or is that too much for you?
McMurphy wrote: » Come on, someone who didn't understand the definition of "crises" is hardly in a position to pontificate on "who looked what up" now, are they? Please tell me this isn't a serious post? Not wanting to be the Shinners bedfellows will be - The. Absolute. Least. Of the greens problems. That's even funnier than that time the poster on here didn't realise the FF party had the extra seat because the Ceann Comhairle automatically retained theirs, and then went full tinfoil hat on us thinking it was an organised conspiracy because everyone and their dogs knew that, but they did not. He he he.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Please stop patronising this thread for starters? Come back to me in 3 years when there is actually going to be a general election? If Sinn Féin were so good at " targeting seats " they might have got 50, They missed their chance. Assuming that the rest of the country fancies a gang of imbeciles turning it into a glorified council estate, as if it is some sort of a delivery to the good people of Ireland is arrogance incarnate. It is also highly insulting to the millions of voters who get off their arses' every morning and get on with theirs lives. Most irish voters don't spend their every hour regurgitating meaningless shight talk spewed all over Twitter = they have a life for starters. Dream on. You have 3 more years to stare out the window ( or into Twitterland ). The choice is all yours.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Child homelessness..... Did you look that one up ?
CrazyFather1 wrote: » Sinn Fein went to Greens last time and that ended up with them going to FF & FG. With the abuse Sinn Fein supporters and party is giving to the Greens I don't expect they will want to know them next time either.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Where are you getting 30 seats short? I'm taking the Greens as a left party that would be open to supporting a SF-led government. I also believe several of the independents could be persuaded to come on board. If this 'united left alliance' is to be realised though, the main flow of seats after the next election will need to be from FF to SF, as you suggest.
Floppybits wrote: » You seem to think that those 30 seats are unobtainable, I wouldn't be so cocky about that. If you look at the performance of FF and Green you have to ask how many of the 49 seats they have are the going to hold? On their current performance and being generous here you are looking at the Greens losing the majority of their seats and FF losing probably half of theirs if not more. I can see SF really targeting those Green seats but then again SF need to sort themselves out come up with more realistic policies that will attract more people to them and put more candidates up for election and they could gobble up those FF and Green seats. The only issue is will SF also gobble up the votes of the other opposition parties like PBP, Soc Dem's and Labour. Like I said I wouldn't be getting too cocky on those 30 seats especially if Martin leads FF into the next election like has said he will.
IAMAMORON wrote: » <Snip>.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Good luck with that.... the plan that is. Let us know how that goes for the lefties. Only another 30 seats .... that is how far off you are. It is schwinging precariously. Keep it up ( and look it up ).
IAMAMORON wrote: » Pretty much these days. I mean what other party or independent would be capable of doing anything? I can't speak for the good people of south Kerry. Tony Gregory got lucky, even he would admit the truth, unlike many posters around here. Shane Ross is an independent , they aren't all erroneous idealists cranking around pointing fingers at everything that moves.
Floppybits wrote: » So are you saying that if you don't vote FF or FG you are just wasting your vote?
Floppybits wrote: » I'd also disagree with you on independents just look at Tony Gregory and even the Healy Rae's.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » I don't even the most bullish SFer sees an overall majority as a realistic objective. The plan is to lead a coalition of other left parties. They weren't that far off las time...
IAMAMORON wrote: » There was no Covid crisis until March, the election was in February. Look it up. Nationalist republican votes directly switch. Any lefties leftover will waste their votes on some local independent mouth, spoofing about fixing the roads or whatever else. FG voters don't vote FF, they never did. That is the biggest issue Sinn Féin has now, finding another 40 seats, good luck with that, it is not happening anytime soon.
James Brown wrote: » Housing, health, child homelessness etc. The traditional record breaking crises, (Hopefully Covid will fade). These are the issues gave us the 2020 results we got IMO. So you are disputing FF did poorly in 2011 and FG did well and vice versa in 2020?
IAMAMORON wrote: » You mentioned the " crises " pal? Look it up. While you are at it you might actually check the election results and come back and discuss them when you know the story. The results are all there in black and white. Look them up.
.A crisis (plural: "crises
IAMAMORON wrote: » That is the biggest issue Sinn Féin has now, finding another 40 seats, good luck with that, it is not happening anytime soon.
James Brown wrote: » What has covid got to do with it? I only mentioned it because it's factoring into our traditional ongoing record breaking crises. yes, the FF/FG base that don't seem to care what their team does will stick no matter what. The rest are floaters. People do and have voted for FF in one election and FG in the next. The formation of our governments since the inception of the state plainly show this. SF and others weren't really in it in 2011. FG garnered some former FF votes most certainly.
James Brown wrote: » The massive swing in 2020 was more about the crises than anything else IMO.
IAMAMORON wrote: » You are massively wrong there. FF / FG rivalry remains, that is knee deep, especially down the culchie. FF dissenters have switched directly to Sinn Féin. FG voters vote FG, if they are disaffected they will faff one to an independent or the Greens or some other left wing shight ( even Labour ), but they contrast fundamentally with more hardline republican ideals. All the rise in Sinn Féin popularity has directly been Fianna Fáil losses. Look it up.
James Brown wrote: » The majority are floating voters. They drift, traditionally from FF to FG.
IAMAMORON wrote: » All senior hurlers get there in the end. :pac:I actually think he made a good decision by joining a party that can potentially make a difference.The Dáil is full of idealists who pick up loose disgruntled votes. Independents are destined to sit on the sidelines cranking away getting nothing done. Basically a waste of time. I am not saying they are bad politicians, but they are ineffectual. I think Donnelly recognised that fact and decided to step up, I respect that to be honest. I don't care what a politician says or does, as long as they believe in what they are doing and are able to deliver on what they are saying.
Bishop of hope wrote: » The report implies he is accusing a pr spin Doctor with ties to the health minister of bullying him, like its the ministers and govt fault he quit twitter. From the article. "Dr O’Connor, who is also running to be the next chairperson of the Labour Party, has been critical of the Government response to Covid-19 and is a contributor on TV and radio discussions on the pandemic".
Bishop of hope wrote: » So, the doctor looking to be chairperson of the Labour Party isn't a pr Bull****ter? OK the tweet wasnt complimentary, but the doctor is obviously a member of a opposition party giving it large against the govt and somebody gives him a bit of stick so he says he will shut up and then says it's because of a govt Pr spinner, shocker that one.
