IAMAMORON wrote: » He is too young yet and still has the "blow in " tag to get off his back. Also south Dublin / north Wicklow like the same bread and butter. They are a fickle bunch. You don't get party leader until you are making your quota with plenty of spares - in theory anyway.
IAMAMORON wrote: » All senior hurlers get there in the end. :pac: I actually think he made a good decision by joining a party that can potentially make a difference. The Dáil is full of idealists who pick up loose disgruntled votes. Independents are destined to sit on the sidelines cranking away getting nothing done. Basically a waste of time. I am not saying they are bad politicians, but they are ineffectual. I think Donnelly recognised that fact and decided to step up, I respect that to be honest. I don't care what a politician says or does, as long as they believe in what they are doing and are able to deliver on what they are saying.
Floppybits wrote: » He has been found wanting now that he is in the ministerial role. Do you really think that he is leadership material? The guy has been ridiculed from pillar to post since he was put in as minister. He will be always be remembered for his Trampoline comment. His loyalty is also questionable first an independent, then the Soc Dems and now FF and he will probably make the jump to FG soon. The few FFers that are left wont make him a leader with that history and after the next election how much of a FF party will be left
IAMAMORON wrote: » The Health portfolio is a nightmare. It is highly likely that he was promised a ministerial position by Martin if he joined up. All politicians get ridiculed - that's the job. It is the ones with the toughest necks that survive. What was his Trampoline comment?
Loafing Oaf wrote: » WATCH: Health Minister Stephen Donnelly likens children going back to school amid a pandemic to jumping on a trampoline You're right, every health minister I can remember has got slaughtered. If the vaccine rollout goes well he might turn a crisis into an opportunity...
smurgen wrote: » Donnelly is like a man with a problem for every solution. Himself and LV. He spent all day yesterday coming out with baseless claims as to why pursuing a zero covid strategy wouldn't work. Utterly depressing politicians.
Bishop of hope wrote: » So, the doctor looking to be chairperson of the Labour Party isn't a pr Bull****ter? OK the tweet wasnt complimentary, but the doctor is obviously a member of a opposition party giving it large against the govt and somebody gives him a bit of stick so he says he will shut up and then says it's because of a govt Pr spinner, shocker that one.
Bishop of hope wrote: » The report implies he is accusing a pr spin Doctor with ties to the health minister of bullying him, like its the ministers and govt fault he quit twitter. From the article. "Dr O’Connor, who is also running to be the next chairperson of the Labour Party, has been critical of the Government response to Covid-19 and is a contributor on TV and radio discussions on the pandemic".
IAMAMORON wrote: » All senior hurlers get there in the end. :pac:I actually think he made a good decision by joining a party that can potentially make a difference.The Dáil is full of idealists who pick up loose disgruntled votes. Independents are destined to sit on the sidelines cranking away getting nothing done. Basically a waste of time. I am not saying they are bad politicians, but they are ineffectual. I think Donnelly recognised that fact and decided to step up, I respect that to be honest. I don't care what a politician says or does, as long as they believe in what they are doing and are able to deliver on what they are saying.
James Brown wrote: » The majority are floating voters. They drift, traditionally from FF to FG.
IAMAMORON wrote: » You are massively wrong there. FF / FG rivalry remains, that is knee deep, especially down the culchie. FF dissenters have switched directly to Sinn Féin. FG voters vote FG, if they are disaffected they will faff one to an independent or the Greens or some other left wing shight ( even Labour ), but they contrast fundamentally with more hardline republican ideals. All the rise in Sinn Féin popularity has directly been Fianna Fáil losses. Look it up.
James Brown wrote: » The massive swing in 2020 was more about the crises than anything else IMO.
IAMAMORON wrote: » There was no Covid crisis until March, the election was in February. Look it up. Nationalist republican votes directly switch. Any lefties leftover will waste their votes on some local independent mouth, spoofing about fixing the roads or whatever else. FG voters don't vote FF, they never did. That is the biggest issue Sinn Féin has now, finding another 40 seats, good luck with that, it is not happening anytime soon.
James Brown wrote: » What has covid got to do with it? I only mentioned it because it's factoring into our traditional ongoing record breaking crises. yes, the FF/FG base that don't seem to care what their team does will stick no matter what. The rest are floaters. People do and have voted for FF in one election and FG in the next. The formation of our governments since the inception of the state plainly show this. SF and others weren't really in it in 2011. FG garnered some former FF votes most certainly.
IAMAMORON wrote: » That is the biggest issue Sinn Féin has now, finding another 40 seats, good luck with that, it is not happening anytime soon.
IAMAMORON wrote: » You mentioned the " crises " pal? Look it up. While you are at it you might actually check the election results and come back and discuss them when you know the story. The results are all there in black and white. Look them up.
.A crisis (plural: "crises
James Brown wrote: » Housing, health, child homelessness etc. The traditional record breaking crises, (Hopefully Covid will fade). These are the issues gave us the 2020 results we got IMO. So you are disputing FF did poorly in 2011 and FG did well and vice versa in 2020?
Loafing Oaf wrote: » I don't even the most bullish SFer sees an overall majority as a realistic objective. The plan is to lead a coalition of other left parties. They weren't that far off las time...
Floppybits wrote: » So are you saying that if you don't vote FF or FG you are just wasting your vote?
Floppybits wrote: » I'd also disagree with you on independents just look at Tony Gregory and even the Healy Rae's.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Good luck with that.... the plan that is. Let us know how that goes for the lefties. Only another 30 seats .... that is how far off you are. It is schwinging precariously. Keep it up ( and look it up ).
IAMAMORON wrote: » Pretty much these days. I mean what other party or independent would be capable of doing anything? I can't speak for the good people of south Kerry. Tony Gregory got lucky, even he would admit the truth, unlike many posters around here. Shane Ross is an independent , they aren't all erroneous idealists cranking around pointing fingers at everything that moves.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Where are you getting 30 seats short? I'm taking the Greens as a left party that would be open to supporting a SF-led government. I also believe several of the independents could be persuaded to come on board. If this 'united left alliance' is to be realised though, the main flow of seats after the next election will need to be from FF to SF, as you suggest.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Child homelessness..... Did you look that one up ?
IAMAMORON wrote: » <Snip>.
CrazyFather1 wrote: » Sinn Fein went to Greens last time and that ended up with them going to FF & FG. With the abuse Sinn Fein supporters and party is giving to the Greens I don't expect they will want to know them next time either.
