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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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IAMAMORON

smurgen wrote: »

Donnelly is like a man with a problem for every solution. Himself and LV. He spent all day yesterday coming out with baseless claims as to why pursuing a zero covid strategy wouldn't work. Utterly depressing politicians.

Molotovs incoming.

Give your mind a rest. Float like a butterfly and see how it feels?

smurgen

Donnelly is like a man with a problem for every solution. Himself and LV. He spent all day yesterday coming out with baseless claims as to why pursuing a zero covid strategy wouldn't work. Utterly depressing politicians.

meeeeh

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

WATCH: Health Minister Stephen Donnelly likens children going back to school amid a pandemic to jumping on a trampoline

You're right, every health minister I can remember has got slaughtered. If the vaccine rollout goes well he might turn a crisis into an opportunity...

I don't know why people got so offended by that trampoline analogy. Everything in life is judgement call between benefits and risk. It's logical. Outrage is not logical though. It's emotional reaction because people are too stupid to process basic facts. Yes the risk from Corona is higher (although not really for kids) but so are benefits of kids going to school.

Loafing Oaf

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The Health portfolio is a nightmare. It is highly likely that he was promised a ministerial position by Martin if he joined up. All politicians get ridiculed - that's the job.

It is the ones with the toughest necks that survive.

What was his Trampoline comment?

WATCH: Health Minister Stephen Donnelly likens children going back to school amid a pandemic to jumping on a trampoline

You're right, every health minister I can remember has got slaughtered. If the vaccine rollout goes well he might turn a crisis into an opportunity...

IAMAMORON

Floppybits wrote: »

He has been found wanting now that he is in the ministerial role. Do you really think that he is leadership material? The guy has been ridiculed from pillar to post since he was put in as minister. He will be always be remembered for his Trampoline comment.

His loyalty is also questionable first an independent, then the Soc Dems and now FF and he will probably make the jump to FG soon. The few FFers that are left wont make him a leader with that history and after the next election how much of a FF party will be left

The Health portfolio is a nightmare. It is highly likely that he was promised a ministerial position by Martin if he joined up. All politicians get ridiculed - that's the job.

It is the ones with the toughest necks that survive.

What was his Trampoline comment?

Floppybits

IAMAMORON wrote: »

All senior hurlers get there in the end. :pac:

I actually think he made a good decision by joining a party that can potentially make a difference.

The Dáil is full of idealists who pick up loose disgruntled votes. Independents are destined to sit on the sidelines cranking away getting nothing done. Basically a waste of time. I am not saying they are bad politicians, but they are ineffectual. I think Donnelly recognised that fact and decided to step up, I respect that to be honest.

I don't care what a politician says or does, as long as they believe in what they are doing and are able to deliver on what they are saying.

He has been found wanting now that he is in the ministerial role. Do you really think that he is leadership material? The guy has been ridiculed from pillar to post since he was put in as minister. He will be always be remembered for his Trampoline comment.

His loyalty is also questionable first an independent, then the Soc Dems and now FF and he will probably make the jump to FG soon. The few FFers that are left wont make him a leader with that history and after the next election how much of a FF party will be left

Bishop of hope

IAMAMORON wrote: »

He is too young yet and still has the "blow in " tag to get off his back.

Also south Dublin / north Wicklow like the same bread and butter. They are a fickle bunch. You don't get party leader until you are making your quota with plenty of spares - in theory anyway.

I can't see him making it at any time, he doesn't have the back pedigree.
A lot of FFrs still don't attribute MM as being creditential even yet.
The republican stancers in the party still view political leadership with that historical pedigree required.

IAMAMORON

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised he doesn't seem to be in the conversation, if only because other than Jim O'Callaghan, he's the only one they have with a bit of D4 appeal...

He is too young yet and still has the "blow in " tag to get off his back.

Also south Dublin / north Wicklow like the same bread and butter. They are a fickle bunch. You don't get party leader until you are making your quota with plenty of spares - in theory anyway.

IAMAMORON

McMurphy wrote: »

I view him as a bit of a spoofer woefully out of his depth.

All senior hurlers get there in the end. :pac:

I actually think he made a good decision by joining a party that can potentially make a difference.

The Dáil is full of idealists who pick up loose disgruntled votes. Independents are destined to sit on the sidelines cranking away getting nothing done. Basically a waste of time. I am not saying they are bad politicians, but they are ineffectual. I think Donnelly recognised that fact and decided to step up, I respect that to be honest.

I don't care what a politician says or does, as long as they believe in what they are doing and are able to deliver on what they are saying.

Loafing Oaf

IAMAMORON wrote: »

One of my favourite politicians , he has more balls than the rest of them put together.

He should be Fianna Fáil leader in the future, top man.

I'm a bit surprised he doesn't seem to be in the conversation, if only because other than Jim O'Callaghan, he's the only one they have with a bit of D4 appeal...

McMurphy

IAMAMORON wrote: »

One of my favourite politicians , he has more balls than the rest of them put together.

He should be Fianna Fáil leader in the future, top man.

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, he was a fairly good opposition TD, before he sold his soul for a ministerial role.

His work on dismantling the PR spin and BS on the Irish water clusterfcuk was good.

Now though, I view him as a bit of a spoofer woefully out of his depth.

IAMAMORON

Fann Linn wrote: »

Spoofer Donnelly discussing his nefarious pals now on CB live.

One of my favourite politicians , he has more balls than the rest of them put together.

He should be Fianna Fáil leader in the future, top man.

Fann Linn

Spoofer Donnelly discussing his nefarious pals now on CB live.

Brendan Bendar

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So why delete his account if someone just criticises him?
Sounds like a pr stunt by a politician to me.

Correct Bish, roar and shout away and when he gets pushback folds up tent.

Common performance from the ‘opposition’.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The fact this person is an ffg supporter and previously worked for donnolly is the iceing upon this particular cake.

Sorta proves my point really, thanks.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looks to.me ffg and their supporters are doing,what yous all accuse shineers of...intimidating people off social media

But sure justify it,away.......bit of me loves to see social media be toxic as fcuk

Shinners?

He quit because someone disagreed and questioned his motives and is trying to spin it politically.
Looking to be chairperson of the Labour Party.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

so infact he didnt say anything againest the government?

Looks to me your blowing smoke mate,let it at that

The report implies he is accusing a pr spin Doctor with ties to the health minister of bullying him, like its the ministers and govt fault he quit twitter.

From the article.
"Dr O’Connor, who is also running to be the next chairperson of the Labour Party, has been critical of the Government response to Covid-19 and is a contributor on TV and radio discussions on the pandemic".

[Deleted User]

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So why delete his account if someone just criticises him?
Sounds like a pr stunt by a politician to me.

so infact he didnt say anything againest the government?

Looks to me your blowing smoke mate,let it at that

Bishop of hope

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Par for the course, I would fully expect you to be in support of this kind of nastiness!

Would you? Good man.
Sure I must be nasty so.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What did he say againest the government....he used only outline what was happening at his hospiteal?

So why delete his account if someone just criticises him?
Sounds like a pr stunt by a politician to me.

Gooey Looey

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So, the doctor looking to be chairperson of the Labour Party isn't a pr Bull****ter?
OK the tweet wasnt complimentary, but the doctor is obviously a member of a opposition party giving it large against the govt and somebody gives him a bit of stick so he says he will shut up and then says it's because of a govt Pr spinner, shocker that one.

Par for the course, I would fully expect you to be in support of this kind of nastiness!

Bishop of hope

Suckit wrote: »

All PR bullshitters should be fired.
Shouldn't be allowed near politics.

So, the doctor looking to be chairperson of the Labour Party isn't a pr Bull****ter?
OK the tweet wasnt complimentary, but the doctor is obviously a member of a opposition party giving it large against the govt and somebody gives him a bit of stick so he says he will shut up and then says it's because of a govt Pr spinner, shocker that one.

Suckit

James Brown wrote: »

That's a particularly nasty message. The bully should be fired.

All PR bullshitters should be fired.
Shouldn't be allowed near politics.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

So Stephen Donnelly's goons trying to silence doctors now on Twitter? Colour me surprised. Professor and consultant Dr.Anthony O'Connor closed his twitter account after receiving messages from a FF loyalist and PR man.

"In a Twitter direct message, seen by Independent.ie, public relations consultant Conor Dempsey suggested to Mr O'Connor that people may see him “so stressed” on social media that they “might be concerned” if they were referred to him for treatment."

"He wrote: “I hope it does not offend you, but do you ever wonder if some of the scrapes you get into online undermine your reputation? I mean that in the sense that people may see you as being so stressed, which you are very entitled to be, that they might be concerned if they are then referred to you for treatment?

“I think you are so brave in your advocacy and understandably fraught with all that is going on, but maybe being so active online works against optimizing your clinical role? We need advocates like you to speak, but you are almost too transparent and informative one would wonder if I was referred to a doctor who appeared so distressed."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/doctor-quits-twitter-after-pr-consultant-claiming-to-be-close-confidante-of-health-minister-said-he-was-undermining-his-clinical-role-40015811.html?__twitter_impression=true

That's a particularly nasty message. The bully should be fired.

smurgen

So Stephen Donnelly's goons trying to silence doctors now on Twitter? Colour me surprised. Professor and consultant Dr.Anthony O'Connor closed his twitter account after receiving messages from a FF loyalist and PR man.

"In a Twitter direct message, seen by Independent.ie, public relations consultant Conor Dempsey suggested to Mr O'Connor that people may see him “so stressed” on social media that they “might be concerned” if they were referred to him for treatment."

"He wrote: “I hope it does not offend you, but do you ever wonder if some of the scrapes you get into online undermine your reputation? I mean that in the sense that people may see you as being so stressed, which you are very entitled to be, that they might be concerned if they are then referred to you for treatment?

“I think you are so brave in your advocacy and understandably fraught with all that is going on, but maybe being so active online works against optimizing your clinical role? We need advocates like you to speak, but you are almost too transparent and informative one would wonder if I was referred to a doctor who appeared so distressed."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/doctor-quits-twitter-after-pr-consultant-claiming-to-be-close-confidante-of-health-minister-said-he-was-undermining-his-clinical-role-40015811.html?__twitter_impression=true

smurgen

Great to see the U turns on this by FFG. Although lamenting the fact that this is off the back of public calls for quarantine rather than the recommendations by CMO from May onwards.

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1354142209705189376?s=19

Brendan Bendar

Fann Linn wrote: »

Didn't think Brenner would lower himself to dumping articles from The Sun on here. Thought you frowned on that sort of thing!!!!

No... never frown on relevant stuff Fann.Relevant to the discussion.

Just frown on scraping media for something some stult posts and leaving it up there.

A respected poster like yersel wouldn’t argue with that, would they?

[Deleted User]

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Supported by MaryLou........?

By this logic,if mary lou wanted to rename oconnell street into bobby sands avenue,the government would do it

Is it,only in ireland,that the opposition gets the blame for governent actions??....

.yous all made a big dance of the shinners unable to form a government,the attempt to then blame them for government decisions is both illogical and a bit disconserting someone could part company with commonsense to such an extent to think this a plausible line,that the public would buy

Fann Linn

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6220021/cases-spike-level-3-mary-lou-mcdonald-covid-shopping/

Four amigos.......quatro

Hmmm

Didn't think Brenner would lower himself to dumping articles from The Sun on here. Thought you frowned on that sort of thing!!!!

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

indeed....but she's not in government....i know ffg believe personal responsibility is for mere plebs

But they've made decision to open up,causing our present mess,noone else.

Supported by MaryLou........?