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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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ionadnapóca

Lads whats the story with Carty? Is it Covid related?

Not in the squad v Ospreys and not even a mention of him in the press this morning either.

Bazzo

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Lads whats the story with Carty? Is it Covid related?

Not in the squad v Ospreys and not even a mention of him in the press this morning either.

There weren't any positive PCR tests before the Ospreys game. He was likely just rested.

KBurke85

Bazzo wrote: »

There weren't any positive PCR tests before the Ospreys game. He was likely just rested.

Likely rested. He was at the game yesterday TG4 showed him after the game on the clan terrace with a gear bag

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ionadnapokot wrote: »

Lads whats the story with Carty? Is it Covid related?

Not in the squad v Ospreys and not even a mention of him in the press this morning either.

Blade, Marmion, Bealham all miss out too. Must be seriously frustrating for these guys. The Ireland selection has been frustrating me for years now honestly makes it hard for me to get excited for them anymore. Casey, Gibson-Park and McGrath ahead of both our SH's ? Give me a break.

Wouldn't hold anything against them if they were to go to France or England for big bucks at this stage.

Edit: I see McGrath in fact isn't included which is some respite at least.

FACECUTTR

Bazzo wrote: »

There weren't any positive PCR tests before the Ospreys game. He was likely just rested.

Likely would have known he wasnt to be involved with Ireland so no need to play him. Was due a rest.

ionadnapóca

I find it crazy that Carty is not even in the squad.
Farrell giving him no game time in the Autumn was ridiculous & shortsighted

Also ridiculous that Marmion, Blade or even Casey didn't get a run in that tournament.

Sexton et al should not have played one minute of that tournament. We are seeing the consequence of it now.

Bazzo

From an unbelievably selfish provincial point of view having Blade, Marmion and Carty all available puts us in a much stronger position for the next 6 weeks. Missing both Roux and Dillane will weaken us significantly, especially with our set piece and offensive breakdown problems.

testtech05

Bazzo wrote: »

From an unbelievably selfish provincial point of view having Blade, Marmion and Carty all available puts us in a much stronger position for the next 6 weeks. Missing both Roux and Dillane will weaken us significantly, especially with our set piece and offensive breakdown problems.

While I agree with this point about having the lads for our games (hopefully we might have 1 of Roux/Dillane sometimes too), you would wonder what some players have to do in order to be involved while others cant seem to be dropped no matter what.

It's getting to the point where I would start to worry about our chances of retaining some of the lads if they see no chance of progressing internationally it would be hard to begrudge them looking out for themselves financially.

It probably sounds like provincial bias to highlight our guys but there are players in the other provinces being treated similarly, John Cooney the obvious one who comes to mind....

Bazzo

https://twitter.com/bernardjackman/status/1353654095970754560

Buernard Jackman weighing in on some of the scrum reffing from yesterday.

macslash

It needs more highlighting from the media. I remember that scene yesterday and seeing Andy in the stand looking down and I just felt he must know full well they're dammed either way out there. Murphy is an odd ref. Totally inconsistent.

Number 137

I always find it interesting when certain individuals decide to constantly castigate a referee. It's usually very generic, nothing specific, in terms of what the referee's actual issues are. I'd be curious to know what your particular bug bears are, instead of hiding behind cliched buzz terms. I fully accept that watching games can be frustrating when decisions don't go our way. But let's be honest, Connacht don't lose games because referee A or B is refereeing. They lose games because of their own short comings.

macslash

Number 137 wrote: »

I always find it interesting when certain individuals decide to constantly castigate a referee. It's usually very generic, nothing specific, in terms of what the referee's actual issues are. I'd be curious to know what your particular bug bears are, instead of hiding behind cliched buzz terms. I fully accept that watching games can be frustrating when decisions don't go our way. But let's be honest, Connacht don't lose games because referee A or B is refereeing. They lose games because of their own short comings.

Is that aimed at me or who?

Number 137

macslash wrote: »

Is that aimed at me or who?

My post is not aimed at anyone in particular. It's just an observation I made based on what I've read on this thread from a number of posters.

Buer

Bazzo wrote: »

Buernard Jackman weighing in on some of the scrum reffing from yesterday.

Ignoring your hurtful and scurrilous wordplay, I've watched that clip about a dozen times now and I'm ok with the decision. Obviously, in a scrum there's normally about a half dozen issues that could be penalised but, based on Murphy's call there, the Connacht pack does appear to be shifting across and coming around to the open side. Were there other factors or infringements? Quite possibly but I can't disagree with the specific call.

It's something I've seen plenty of teams do and be rewarded as a dominant scrum. They shift all of their weight off to one side where they think they'll get the most reward instead of driving straight. In that clip, I don't think Connacht were very subtle at all about it, to be honest.

ionadnapóca

I heard Murray Kinsella on his Podcast say that Andy Friend new contract is going to be announced this week.

I hope its for at least 2 years. Preferably 3 years so to keep him in Ireland beyond the RWC. Hint, hint!

Bazzo

Buer wrote: »

Ignoring your hurtful and scurrilous wordplay, I've watched that clip about a dozen times now and I'm ok with the decision. Obviously, in a scrum there's normally about a half dozen issues that could be penalised but, based on Murphy's call there, the Connacht pack does appear to be shifting across and coming around to the open side. Were there other factors or infringements? Quite possibly but I can't disagree with the specific call.

It's something I've seen plenty of teams do and be rewarded as a dominant scrum. They shift all of their weight off to one side where they think they'll get the most reward instead of driving straight. In that clip, I don't think Connacht were very subtle at all about it, to be honest.

I'm pretty clueless about scrummaging, just thought some bits of the thread were interesting. He wasn't impressed with how Murphy dealt with Butler after.

Edit: I think the arguement Buerch and Butler were making was that Connacht were side stepping because Spreys where wheeling the far side. The fact they went for the corner rather than another scrum straight after was curious

evil_seed

Bazzo wrote: »

I'm pretty clueless about scrummaging, just thought some bits of the thread were interesting. He wasn't impressed with how Murphy dealt with Butler after.

Edit: I think the arguement Buerch and Butler were making was that Connacht were side stepping because Spreys where wheeling the far side. The fact they went for the corner rather than another scrum straight after was curious

I think because they knew the next scrum would be lost. They were lucky to get the penalty and used their luck wisely

molloyjh

I didn't see the game so only working off the footage in that clip. I understand Murphys decision, but I also understand what Butler was saying afterwards. Would really need to see from the other side exactly what is happening before I could really make a call on it. It honestly could be either or, but it could also be both. As Buer said, there are often so many infringements from either side in a scrum that a clear definitively correct outcome isnt always possible. You'd have to have some sympathy for officials in that case too as it becomes effectively an impossible job to referee is properly.

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molloyjh wrote: »

I didn't see the game so only working off the footage in that clip. I understand Murphys decision, but I also understand what Butler was saying afterwards. Would really need to see from the other side exactly what is happening before I could really make a call on it. It honestly could be either or, but it could also be both. As Buer said, there are often so many infringements from either side in a scrum that a clear definitively correct outcome isnt always possible. You'd have to have some sympathy for officials in that case too as it becomes effectively an impossible job to referee is properly.

There was one replay that showed the Ospreys prop in the farside starting position was angled in. That was the only line connacht could follow when the got the shove.

Thats from memory mind

Shelflife

I had no problem with the decision at the time. We brought on two young props and struggled a bit afterwards. Scrums got messy and from Frank’s POV he had enough at that stage.

I think one of the infringements was a free kick which would mean they wouldn’t get the throw in if they kicked it. Their maul was a serious weapon so that’s why they went for the lineout.

Birch has gone from coaching at T14 to Pro14 to J1A so he probably genuinely doesn’t know what’s going on and is looking for help !

Bazzo

Shelflife wrote: »

I had no problem with the decision at the time. We brought on two young props and struggled a bit afterwards. Scrums got messy and from Frank’s POV he had enough at that stage.

I think one of the infringements was a free kick which would mean they wouldn’t get the throw in if they kicked it. Their maul was a serious weapon so that’s why they went for the lineout.

Birch has gone from coaching at T14 to Pro14 to J1A so he probably genuinely doesn’t know what’s going on and is looking for help !

They'd just had 2 scrum penalties(iirc) followed by a warning from the ref, very unusual not to see a team go for another scrum looking for a yellow in that situation.

ClanofLams

Without making any comment on Murphy’s standard of reffing and certainly not in any way blaming him for loss, it’s ridiculous that he is reffing Connacht anyway, makes the league look tin pot and needs to stop if league is going to work.

Imagine Murphy reffing Connacht v Stormers in tight game and marginal decision given to Connacht that effectively decides game. South African media would think it is absolutely ridiculous. And they would be right.

Lost Ormond

ClanofLams wrote: »

Without making any comment on Murphy’s standard of reffing and certainly not in any way blaming him for loss, it’s ridiculous that he is reffing Connacht anyway, makes the league look tin pot and needs to stop if league is going to work.

Imagine Murphy reffing Connacht v Stormers in tight game and marginal decision given to Connacht that effectively decides game. South African media would think it is absolutely ridiculous. And they would be right.

Ideally it should stop but when number of pro refs within the league is so small bound to happen.
Murphy also played for Munster is he not to ref them as well?

Problem is its a cross border league and this season anyway travel is harder and as said above only small number of pro refs means you have to have him do some games.

thomond2006

ClanofLams wrote: »

Without making any comment on Murphy’s standard of reffing and certainly not in any way blaming him for loss, it’s ridiculous that he is reffing Connacht anyway, makes the league look tin pot and needs to stop if league is going to work.

Imagine Murphy reffing Connacht v Stormers in tight game and marginal decision given to Connacht that effectively decides game. South African media would think it is absolutely ridiculous. And they would be right.

Questions need to be asked about what Scotland is doing in ref development. Aside from Mike Adamson, I can't remember seeing any SRU affiliated ref in the Pro14 for years.

As for right now, it would be irresponsible to fly over referees from overseas.

ClanofLams

Yes of course in current circumstances it’s fine. But Murphy has been reffing Connacht long before Covid. He has reffed Connacht when he could have reffed Leinster/Ulster.

I don’t think he can ref Munster anyway? Isn’t he registered with them?

After this season it needs to stop. No other league would tolerate a guy reffing a team he has one hundred appearances for. You wouldn’t see it at amateur sport, never mind professional.

Lost Ormond

thomond2006 wrote: »

Questions need to be asked about what Scotland is doing in ref development. Aside from Mike Adamson, I can't remember seeing any SRU affiliated ref in the Pro14 for years.

As for right now, it would be irresponsible to fly over referees from overseas.

There is one or two. Ben Balin. Sam Grove White.
And yeah totally irresponsible to fly over refs needlessly from abroad right now

ClanofLams wrote: »

Yes of course in current circumstances it’s fine. But Murphy has been reffing Connacht long before Covid. He has reffed Connacht when he could have reffed Leinster/Ulster.

I don’t think he can ref Munster anyway? Isn’t he registered with them?

After this season it needs to stop. No other league would tolerate a guy reffing a team he has one hundred appearances for. You wouldn’t see it at amateur sport, never mind professional.

He is a Munster, MAR, ref. But all pro refs in Ireland are from Munster apart from Sean Gallagher. And of the development group behind them. of the 4 members 2 are from Munster.
With numbers of refs limited i dont think they could be able to stop guys reffing the side where theyre from or who they played for.

Former Former Former

Very unfair to be blaming Frank Murphy lads. He didn't cost ye the game

b.gud

Former Former Former wrote: »

Very unfair to be blaming Frank Murphy lads. He didn't cost ye the game

The OP literally said he is not to blame for the loss, see below

ClanofLams wrote: »

Without making any comment on Murphy’s standard of reffing and certainly not in any way blaming him for loss, it’s ridiculous that he is reffing Connacht anyway, makes the league look tin pot and needs to stop if league is going to work.

Imagine Murphy reffing Connacht v Stormers in tight game and marginal decision given to Connacht that effectively decides game. South African media would think it is absolutely ridiculous. And they would be right.

Bazzo

b.gud wrote: »

The OP literally said he is not to blame for the loss, see below

I also don't think Murphy influenced the result and I'm the one who linked the Jackman tweet about the scrum penalty, just thought it was an interesting observation.

ClanofLams

Festive Life wrote: »

There is one or two. Ben Balin. Sam Grove White.
And yeah totally irresponsible to fly over refs needlessly from abroad right now

He is a Munster, MAR, ref. But all pro refs in Ireland are from Munster apart from Sean Gallagher. And of the development group behind them. of the 4 members 2 are from Munster.
With numbers of refs limited i dont think they could be able to stop guys reffing the side where theyre from or who they played for.

They need to get a couple of more refs in so. This genuinely wouldn't happen in amateur sport or any other professional league. It makes the league look very small time and I am someone who normally defends it. They need to do it quickly and at a minimum, Murphy shouldn't be reffing Connacht when at all avoidable, as it has been frequently in the past.

Former Former Former wrote: »

Very unfair to be blaming Frank Murphy lads. He didn't cost ye the game

Literally nobody is.