The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
MJohnston wrote: » I'm going to throw out a smoking hot devil's advocate (ie. I don't even know if I believe this one myself) take — it makes more sense to slowly improve EV charging infrastructure in line with demand, rather than try and outpace (and even stimulate) demand. The through line here is twofold: 1. Stimulating EV uptake through infrastructure is pointless because there are enough other incentives to EVs and there will be a big old stick coming by 2030 at the latest. 2. Charging hardware is constantly improving, so if you "future proof" your network in terms of demand, you're locking yourself into a specific generation of technology which might be rapidly obsolete. Fight me.
liamog wrote: » At the moment it makes sense for DC chargers to be installed with CCS and a Nissan Proprietary Connector CHAdeMO when installing the single car chargers (50kW/44kW). Where it turns into an exercise in failure to forward plan is the high powered chargers. These should be installed a 2xCCS, 1xCHAdeMO configuration.
cruisey1987 wrote: » I believe it's fairly easy on the new chargers to swap a Chademo for CCS afterwards, so as Chademo goes out of support they won't be left with a bunch of unusable chargers
McGiver wrote: » Yep and if 3 cars connect the power would be 50 kW each.
MJohnston wrote: » 1. Stimulating EV uptake through infrastructure is pointless because there are enough other incentives to EVs and there will be a big old stick coming by 2030 at the latest.
MJohnston wrote: » Charging hardware is constantly improving, so if you "future proof" your network in terms of demand, you're locking yourself into a specific generation of technology which might be rapidly obsolete. Fight me.
liamog wrote: Nope, the charging units they use consist of 2x75kW Charging modules, so can only load balance across 2 connectors. They're in use like this in other markets, so it's not exactly a crazy request.
innrain wrote: At this level of expenditure the obsolesce is planned. Even if some changes will happen requiring different software of even different physical connectors the main guts of the chargers (and cost) will remain the same. Look at the 150kW Terra units. They can be configured in so many ways. Nothing will stop a proactive ecars to change the ratio of CCS/CHAdeMO at their 8x2 hubs in 3 years when the ratio of CHAdeMO cars will drop below 20%
innrain wrote: The chargers density for Ireland being at 1/90 km. Since this thread started, the EVs number more than doubled while the number of ecars chargers increased by single digits.
AndyBoBandy wrote: » New App for Northern Ireland, new branding, new logo’s, new skins. Same old eCars.
MJohnston wrote: » A completely irrelevant post here but — are ESB about to rebrand? I have their eCars site pinned on my phone and the logo just updated.
Gwen Cooper wrote: » That's the UK app. Northern Ireland is on the same app as ROI, ecar connect.
AndyBoBandy wrote: » I always thought it was the NI version.. just opened it up there and there are no chargers showing up on the British Isles!!
Gwen Cooper wrote: » No, ecar connect is for both ROI and NI and then EV Plug In is for the UK. They're just in London and Coventry I think so there won't be many chargers showing there unless you zoom in on one of those cities.
Black_Knight wrote: » Money well spent
AndyBoBandy wrote: » I wonder who's paid for all these fancy hubs??
McGiver wrote: » Yes. But their options to upgrade are limited, unless they can increase the power or just make it 1 CCS connector to increase the max power. Are Ionity 175 kW or 350 kW? It shows different power in different apps. May differ by site as well.
McGiver wrote: » It's shambles, nothing but. It is a joke really at this stage. Especially the FCPs. The SCPs were OK in 2015, I guess. Let's compare with a similar market in terms of EV maturity and in terms of size. We won't go to the UK, Italy, France, they're way more populous countries, and we won't go to the Netherlands or Finland or Norway either, these are more EV mature markets, we can dream about. So let's look at the Czech Republic - it has roughly the same land area as Ireland, and about 50% longer motorway network, has about the same EV numbers, albeit for a bit more than double the car fleet (5.6M) - it has some 400 FCPs which is 4 times more than here on the same area for the same number of EVs. What's worse is that a) they're adding 10 FCPs per month in average (we add maybe 1 and that's a conversion!) , b) they already have 20+ 150kW+ non-ionity FCPs (we have 2!) and c) they've several hubs where there are several 50kW and 150kW chargers in one place (we have zero to date - the best is 1x 50 + 1x 150 "hub" ). So I'm asking - WTF is ESB doing with our taxes (EU and local)?? Ireland will get beaten in infrastructure by Bulgaria if goes on like this.
AndyBoBandy wrote: » Ah yes, I see them now, London & Coventry. Jeeebus they have some setup over there... multiple sites with 2 & 3 DC units..... I wonder who's paid for all these fancy hubs??
Deleted User wrote: » It's a complete shambles, lazy semi state company.
McGiver wrote: » While I'm allergic to the semi-states, that's not the issue in other countries. France, Finland, Czechia, Poland to name a few, when it comes to charging infra. The Czech example I gave - vast majority of the FCP/HPC network is being built by the two largest electricity providers, something like ESB and SSE here, one of which is a semi-state too. A lot of it subsidised from the EU money, but not majority of it. They seem to be building it on their own. And that's in the absence of any coherent EV gov strategy over there (it's all "yeah we'll go electric...eventually"). Whereas here the gov claims "1M EVs 2030 goal" so has a strategy on paper, but does nothing. If this is the strategy then the chargers need to be built now, not in 2029. Yes, it could be left to the "market" but that's a) catch 22 and b) needs a very sound cut-the-red-tape regulation which Irish govs are generally not good at.
McGiver wrote: » This is a hub! An actual hub. Can do 6 cars at once: 3x CSS or Chademo and 3x FastAC, the fast AC is good a back-up contingency for waiting, all cars nowadays can do 11 kW AC and 5 kWh while waiting for charge is better than 0.
JohnC. wrote: » But it looks like each unit only serves a single parking space.
zg3409 wrote: » Swords main street outside Eddie rockets, charger is taken away, new cement base and bollards already in, looks like new AC or DC charger on the way. Someone from Facebook put a photo on plugshare of the work in progress.
cruisey1987 wrote: » Just passed by today and there's one of the newer AC22 units there. I could be wrong, but hadn't they already replaced that unit? Looks like Swords missed the DC train, although we're probably better served than most towns for DC charging nearby
AndyBoBandy wrote: » It looks like this is the case alright. But isn’t it great that 3 cars can charge simultaneously there, regardless of what plugs they have on them.. 3 on CCS or 3 on CHAdeMO or 3 on AC, or a mixture of all 3... Even that 3 unit set up would be a marked improvement for inter urban routes compared to what we currently have...
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