CrazyFather1 wrote: » I find it strange the hatred some people have over the American companies and the people who work for them. All the comments online about jumped up people working for google etc. I don't work for any of them and probably never will but I have friends and family who work for them and make good money. I also have farmer friends who make decent money supplying companies that run canteens etc. People complain because they can't get a job, now you are complaining because according to you people don't have the right job? what is that about?
Deleted User wrote: » I dont have any hatred for them,indifference really....feel we are over dependant on FDI,and long term,this is unsustainble,and personally dont feel its apirational either I know people working for some,that place in kildare,like its undoubted they pay top dollar,google makes circa 1.4m profit per employee afaik.....but what yous are doing whether intentional or not is identical to whats gone on in uk over last 30 or so years,pointing at a sucessful area which is ultimately papering over cracks in rest of economy...... the us stock exchange is still rising,despite record levels of homelessness,and food bank usage,something has gone badly amiss,for this to be both ok,and regarded as a success. I am not complaining anywhere about people getting a job in multinationals,nowhere is this even implied,its the government/liberials pretending all is rosy here due to rising gdp,while entire area of econmy and society in ruins.....i dont think econmic success at expense of social conditions and ethics should be regarded as success
RandomViewer wrote: » I think one of the issues is that if you count up all the grant aid and tax breaks, the free buildings and zero rates it probably would be cheaper just to pay the staff dole,
Deleted User wrote: » Where anywhere have i proposed mass unemployment? Where anywhere have i proposed dumping jobs to europe?? Yous are just sulking as your not liking,what you seeing here....we are too relient on FDI,this could be eventually wiped out and noone in irish establishment is allowed to speak up,or point this out....otherewise they are met with childish hysterical nonsense and accused of wanting to send jobs to europe :pac: .... and the conversation is shut down and everyone pretends this can continue indefinetly (it cant btw) Do you think our level of relience on FDI is good,aspirational or should we begin the process of building up.the local econmy to protect from what are obvious medium term risks to us??
CrazyFather1 wrote: » Well that is not true if you read the thread because according to some people on here we should be throwing away these companies and the jobs they bring because they are the wrong sort of job Also the 0.05% which is quoted is from 2015. What have these companies paid since then? I object to Europe telling Ireland what our tax rates have to be, do you think Europe should be allowed to dictate to Ireland?
FrancieBrady wrote: » IF you mean the EU perhaps you should elect an MEP to object? SF MEPs are elected, they are doing their jobs as elected reps, if they aren't they won't be elected. Simple.
CrazyFather1 wrote: » So you agree that Europe should be allowed to dictate to Ireland what our tax should be?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I am refusing to engage with somebody who won't call it what it is - The EU. Which doesn't 'dictate' anything, if it did we would not be choosing our own tax rate.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Councils do have tradesmen doing renovations...i know people doing it Anywhoo,some much deserved critism,as opposed to mindless complaining about funeralshttps://mobile.twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1352907068240494593
CrazyFather1 wrote: » According to everything I can see the loop holes are now shut. The companies are paying tax as they are supposed to. So do you still support Sinn Fein in letting Europe dictate to Ireland what our taxes should be? If you can come up with an alternative to multi nationals which will generate over 21% of our income tax I am all ears, I am sure the whole of Ireland would be interested as well.
Bowie wrote: » My point was they don't have tradesmen sitting around waiting on the bat signal. It was just a distraction anyway. Some people play the fool rather than discuss. The concept of the state/a council paying a developer to build houses cant seriously be beyond their comprehension.
Deleted User wrote: » Theres always loopholes :pac: I used em to reduce CGT on land from 6 to 1% Europe setting our corp.tax rate/methods is likely on This is liberialism.and irishpol through and through....its too difficult to tackle,so we just pretend it will last forever and cry when it blows up in our face and get snotty at those who highlight flaws....ive literally suggested building up.the local econmy to reduce the over relience on FDI,.... whereas from what i can see,ffg plan is to keep leaning on it,creating a bigger and bigger mess to untangle....its understandable why they do it....but its piss poor political leadership,and we as a country need better
Deleted User wrote: » i think the state should build em themselves,hire the extra workers This bollixing around hiring developers etc is just a method ffg use to funnel money to their supporters/backers (some might say corruption) Public-private parthnership,while great in theory etc,in practice in ireland it results in taxpayer getting fleeced,such as the childrens hospiteal
CrazyFather1 wrote: » I have zero interest in the government, as I already said after the pandemic we should have an election. This whole point is about Multinationals paying the tax they are supposed to which according to the information I can find online this is now in place. So if that is the case why would anyone agree to Europe changing our tax rates?
CrazyFather1 wrote: » If you go to hire thousands of people then you have to give them all the benefits of working for the government, which means they get government pensions etc, so the cost of a house would go through the roof. Plus after you build the house what do you do with all these people? you would then have to hand out large redundancy payments. The current process is wrong but the government is not a building contractor and it would end up costing billions to do what you are suggesting. What is Sinn Fein's policy on building houses? are they saying they want to hire thousands of builders/electrician etc?
[Deleted User] wrote: » i think the state should build em themselves,hire the extra workers This bollixing around hiring developers etc is just a method ffg use to funnel money to their supporters/backers (some might say corruption) Public-private parthnership,while great in theory etc,in practice in ireland it results in taxpayer getting fleeced,such as the childrens hospiteal
Bowie wrote: » I know a council depot have one admin lad and a few inspectors. The inspectors would be qualified tradesmen.My point was they don't have tradesmen sitting around waiting on the bat signal. It was just a distraction anyway. Some people play the fool rather than discuss. The concept of the state/a council paying a developer to build houses cant seriously be beyond their comprehension.
McMurphy wrote: » Just reading up on the tax haven vote there. I'm guessing their won't be a peep out of our resident green, as their MEPs abstained with the Shinners. And lordo, lordo a FFer voted with the EU, but what about the shinners.
CrazyFather1 wrote: » So do you agree with them voting with the EU?
McMurphy wrote: » FF? I'm not an FF voter, they will be irrelevant next election anyway. The question you need to answer is if you agree with the FFer voting with the EU. You are an FF voter are you not?
CrazyFather1 wrote: » When did I say I was a FF voter? I don't care which party they come from they should not be voting against Ireland and with Europe, do you not agree?
CrazyFather1 wrote: » When did I say I was a FF voter?
I don't care which party they come from they should not be voting against Ireland and with Europe, do you not agree?
McMurphy wrote: » You didn't have to. If you think I don't know who I'm exchanging posts with, you're very naive. The only MEP I'm aware of that voted "against Ireland with Europe" was a FF MEP, do you even know what you're talking about? And no I don't agree, MEPs can vote how they see fit themselves, they've got brains - if the people who put them there aren't happy, they know what they can do when they put themselves forward in the next election, because that, is how a democracy operates. Do you not agree?
CrazyFather1 wrote: » MEP's should vote for the country they are representing and it shouldn't matter what party they are from.
blanch152 wrote: » The point is, they do have tradesmen sitting around on standby for maintenance repairs. That is a fact, which you choose to deny. Furthermore, those tradesmen have industrial relations agreements with the local authorities in respect of restrictions on contracting out, and permanent jobs, which makes in many cases the cost of building houses much more for local authorities than for private sector builders. These are realities and facts, you can choose to ignore them, and maintain a fantasy that it is very easy for local authorities to build housing on the cheap.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/craft-union-calls-for-rejection-of-17-offer-1.383608 I can't find something more up-to-date, but there were 4,000 craft workers employed in 2003, I am sure it is more now.
Bowie wrote: » Not in the council I know they don't.That's a fact. I've nothing to gain either way. And no the topic was building houses. If the council build houses they are not going to be using in house staff. Do you believe council employees have ever built a house? You are making up road blocks here. We could say no as they'd own the land in some circumstances. You just made up 'on the cheap'. Never said such a thing. Building is cheaper than buying especially in large numbers. You've been shown this. Just because FF/FG want to line the pockets of cronies doesn't make it a good deal for the tax payer.
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