FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

atticu wrote: »

A simple yes or no will do.

A simple read of the thread will provide your answer.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Responding to the post B, thats all I can do, and take my judgement on that,seeing as I don’t know anything about you personally.

That’s all I have to go on.

Yet you were able to tell me with apparent ease what you think I think.

Want to know what I think BB? I think they messed up. I honestly wish they hadn't. But they did.
And we are paying the price of decades of mismanagement of the health service, failure to have contingency plans, failure to use the pause between waves to fix the issues highlighted during the 1st Lockdown.
We are also cursed with an egotistical incompetent as minister for Health, a narcissist as Tánaiste, a week sleeveen as Taoiseach, a bully as Education minister... and then there's the rest of the sorry shower.

We should have had an emergency govt of national unity - and yes, FF and FG and GP should be there - I would have no issue with Coveney remaining in foreign affairs, Donohoe in Finance, McGrath in public expenditure. But by god we deserve better than Donnelly, Varadker, Martin, and Foley.

Three times this his last fortnight my elderly mother has stood alone at her gate, as her neighbours did likewise at their's, to watch the hearse of a neighbour who died with covid pass by.
The latest was this morning.

She's scared BB. A lifelong FF voter, a neighbour of the Taoiseach, and she wants someone else in charge beacuse too many have died and still the gates to the country are open, still our hospitals are overwhelmed, still there is no sign of her or her sisters (all in their 80s) being offered a vaccine.

So yeah - you keep cheerleadering BB while across the country people stand at their gates to say goodbye to the victims of incompetence.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So what have the government done on this, or, as asked on securing this island. Please link to their work on these options.

I am here debating a policy issue with you, not defending what the government is doing. I asked you whether you agreed with me and whether you thought it is a good idea.

You seem only interested in defending Sinn Fein and attacking the government rather than actually discussing the policy issue. Tell us whether you think we should follow the British example. If not, why?

Cluedo Monopoly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have been listening and it is shocking what a sham it is. Martin's haste to get the apology out and try and shut it all down deserves to haunt him for the rest of his term.

I actually think it will haunt him personally. There's politicing and then there is just plain wrong. Complicit wrong. They tried to spin it away quickly and it backfired. People will not forget the anguish the report caused over the last couple of weeks. It heaped abuse on abuse.

Bowie wrote: »

I'd agree, especially regarding The Irish Times and to an extent the Indo. However I must applaud Joe Duffy's 'Live line' for the important work of giving the Mother and Baby home survivors a voice.
Normally can't stand the show but sterling and important work considering the sham whitewashed report.

I have been listening and it is shocking what a sham it is. Martin's haste to get the apology out and try and shut it all down deserves to haunt him for the rest of his term.

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, it wasn't a British offer, it is what they are doing. We should reciprocate and close our borders to all but those from the UK.

I suggested this days ago.

So what have the government done on this, or, as asked on securing this island. Please link to their work on these options.

James Brown

CarProblem wrote: »

A lot of Irish people take this approach in all walks of life. Don't aim to be the best, content simply not to be the worst

The so called media is complicit also - lets highlight the countries doing poorly (to make the Irish government look better) and not those doing well

I'd agree, especially regarding The Irish Times and to an extent the Indo. However I must applaud Joe Duffy's 'Live line' for the important work of giving the Mother and Baby home survivors a voice.
Normally can't stand the show but sterling and important work considering the sham whitewashed report.

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, it wasn't a British offer, it is what they are doing. We should reciprocate and close our borders to all but those from the UK.

I suggested this days ago.

Days ago you were peddling absolute horse shyte about not trusting the Brits with personal details because GDPR.

Today you want to almost join the UK.

Pick a coherent and consistent moral principal and stick with it. FFS.

atticu

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did you read the thread to get the context?

A simple yes or no will do.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only reason he is taking that position today is to try and get a rise with the 'British Isles' taunt.

When asked what had the Irish government done to respond to the British offer, he disappeared.

Francie, it wasn't a British offer, it is what they are doing. We should reciprocate and close our borders to all but those from the UK.

I suggested this days ago.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only reason he is taking that position today is to try and get a rise with the 'British Isles' taunt.

When asked what had the Irish government done to respond to the British offer, he disappeared.

He disappeared on me too when his GDPR baloney was called out for the nonsense it was.

He seems to be contrariann just for the lols.

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McMurphy wrote: »

I'll get popcorn, this'll be good.

Usual shite - lets try waffle and deflect rather than addressing the point

I assume the poster was just giving two areas where personal responsibility could/should come into play. Not equating them, not saying one is better or worse.

Rather than addressing that some posters choose to deflect and obfuscate. I experienced similar yesterday

Messi and Ronalso are both good footballers. That statement does not compare them, does not ask which is better/worse

McMurphy wrote: »

Posts this today.....

Let's copy the Brits.... The Brits are bleedin deadly so they are.

Day before yesterday though.........

Three letters...

W - U - M

The only reason he is taking that position today is to try and get a rise with the 'British Isles' taunt.

When asked what had the Irish government done to respond to the British offer, he disappeared.

Brendan Bendar

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Exactly as expected.

Pascal admits govt did not follow NPHET advice. Is he a 'folk like me' who is 'wise after the event'?

The Cheerleader defence is to tell me what I think. What I am apparently promulgating. And generally launch an attack because I said that people would defend the original govt actions even after the govt has admitted they made mistakes.

Thanks BB for proving my point in such a ranty fashion.

Responding to the post B, thats all I can do, and take my judgement on that,seeing as I don’t know anything about you personally.

That’s all I have to go on.

atticu wrote: »

Do you actually think that the consumption of alcohol and COVID-19 are similar?

Did you read the thread to get the context?

atticu wrote: »

Do you actually think that the consumption of alcohol and COVID-19 are similar?

I'll get popcorn, this'll be good.

atticu

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But personal responsibility Maryanne.
If we can have strict laws to punish people for the relatively minor offense (in your opinion apparently) of DUI but not for potentially spreading a virus during a global pandemic then I must say I find your position confusing and contradictory.
Much like the current govt's.

People should just be responsible and not drive when under the influence.

Do you actually think that the consumption of alcohol and COVID-19 are similar?

Posts this today.....

Let's copy the Brits.... The Brits are bleedin deadly so they are.

blanch152 wrote: »

Now we are getting somewhere. I have always argued that the only way to impose a quarantine is on a British Isles basis. This is for a number of reasons - business links, the Dublin/London air corridor, the common travel area and the sensibilities of unionists.

Now that the UK has moved in this way we should follow suit.

blanch152 wrote: »

Given what has been posted about the UK maintaining the common travel area, wouldn't it be eminently more sensible to secure things on the basis of the British Isles.

Day before yesterday though.........

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, from my point of view, I wouldn't want our government to be sharing my personal information with a government outside the EU as GDPR wouldn't apply. The Stormont government was looking for the personal details of all travelling through Dublin Airport.

blanch152 wrote: »

Just realised you don't have the first clue about this issue.

We are talking about the Irish government giving the personal information of people who are travelling through Dublin Airport to the Stormont government, and you are seeking to reassure me that is safe because the British government has something on a website!!!!!!

Will spend the next hour laughing.

blanch152 wrote: »

GDPR means that you cannot transfer personal information outside of the EU without adequate protections being in place and the requisite protocols around consent.

Your position seems to be that if the Russian and American governments claim to respect GDPR, then the Irish government can send them every little bit of personal information that they have on me.

GDPR.....

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Two chances......slim and none.

What on heavens name will it achieve if we don't properly secure the island? Joke at this stage.

Brendan Bendar

markodaly wrote: »

It will be a very interesting turn of events if posters, especially the SF supporting variant are now going to be advocating we close the border between the ROI and NI.

Two chances......slim and none.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i would assume so,its travel corridors are close,yes

Its only right too imo....i was to go to london last summer for family reasons,and would have had to quarantine for 2 weeks even if i had a negative test result upon coming home....so obv didnt

And fair play Blaaz, I could have done it too, desperately wanted to but didn't.
A great many did and didn't follow the quaretine rules on return either.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Exactly.

They are not interested in health and safety or fixing Covid, they are only interested in the fantastical pursuit of a united Ireland at all costs.

Does that include other advocates of the all island approach such as Leo Varadkar and Arlene Foster?

Like any idea, regardless of the assumed reasoning, if it's a good idea we shouldn't be cutting our nose to spite our face.
Some things are more important than sticking it to the shinners.

Deleted User wrote: »

Drink driving doesn’t compare with an unprecedented global pandemic.

But personal responsibility Maryanne.
If we can have strict laws to punish people for the relatively minor offense (in your opinion apparently) of DUI but not for potentially spreading a virus during a global pandemic then I must say I find your position confusing and contradictory.
Much like the current govt's.

People should just be responsible and not drive when under the influence.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm begining to think, given the stock finger pointing and macabre competitivness that it's supporters engage in here that the Government are only interested in doing better than NI

A lot of Irish people take this approach in all walks of life. Don't aim to be the best, content simply not to be the worst

The so called media is complicit also - lets highlight the countries doing poorly (to make the Irish government look better) and not those doing well

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems like a sensible idea from the UK government, don't you think? Secure the British Isles and we can keep the business and travel links with the UK thereby preventing damage to the economy.

A better solution than an all-island one.

What have the Irish government done about it? PLease link to their work on protecting the whole island, whether be a single island approach or a dual island approach.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government have done sweet FA to do even that nonsense..

They don't have any expressed interest in protecting the island...fact. If they did there would be a record of them trying.

It seems like a sensible idea from the UK government, don't you think? Secure the British Isles and we can keep the business and travel links with the UK thereby preventing damage to the economy.

A better solution than an all-island one.

blanch152 wrote: »

Now we are getting somewhere. I have always argued that the only way to impose a quarantine is on a British Isles basis. This is for a number of reasons - business links, the Dublin/London air corridor, the common travel area and the sensibilities of unionists.

Now that the UK has moved in this way we should follow suit.

The government have done sweet FA to do even that nonsense..

They don't have any expressed interest in protecting the island...fact. If they did there would be a record of them trying.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm begining to think, given the stock finger pointing and macabre competitivness that it's supporters engage in here that the Government are only interested in doing better than NI.

Would explain Stephen DOnnelly's alleged ignoring of attempts to co-operate. Why would you not take every oppurtunity to secure the whole island? Beggars belief.

Given what has been posted about the UK maintaining the common travel area, wouldn't it be eminently more sensible to secure things on the basis of the British Isles.

CarProblem wrote: »

Our government doesn't appear to be either

I'm begining to think, given the stock finger pointing and macabre competitivness that it's supporters engage in here that the Government are only interested in doing better than NI.

Would explain Stephen DOnnelly's alleged ignoring of attempts to co-operate. Why would you not take every oppurtunity to secure the whole island? Beggars belief.