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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

alchemist33

I've seen two main options put forward on this forum, (1) that he'll remain a political force until the 2024 primaries start up and the Republicans have to take him seriously or (2) that he'll be so mired in litigation that he'll have no time for politics.

There are of course other options for the next 4 years - prison, exile, death or ill-health (he isn't young and he's been under stress), no politics but a business success, emperor. But it'd be an interesting exercise for people to lay their cards on the table now and make their predictions.

Personally I think his political influence will die quickly after the Capitol fiasco but someone else will emerge in 2 years, once the memories have waned, to be the standard-bearer for the QAnon wing.

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[Deleted User]

Muahahaha wrote: »

Never thought Id see the day when John Bolton is on Joe Duffy but he is on right now

What is he saying, nuke the world?

Faugheen

ELM327 wrote: »

I see trump running again for '24, running against either Biden/Harris or worse, Harris/AN Other.
If it's the latter or Biden increases taxes, then I don't think Trump is near done. He got the second highest vote ever received in a presidential election

And how many of those are Republican party members as opposed to die-hard Trump supporters?

He'll get nowhere near what he got in 2020. If he established a third party he'd only split the Republican vote, which will only help Democrats even more.

ELM327

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Biden got the highest by quite a considerable margin.

Absolutely, and I can accept that.
My point is absolutely not that Trump won the election, just that he has a sizeable vote base.

ELM327

Faugheen wrote: »

And how many of those are Republican party members as opposed to die-hard Trump supporters?

He'll get nowhere near what he got in 2020. If he established a third party he'd only split the Republican vote, which will only help Democrats even more.

Starting a third party is a huge no-no.
I'd suggest that Trumps core base is 20-30% of the vote he received, and the rest is because of the little (R) beside his name.

[Deleted User]

Overheal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1351891000457797633?s=20

What's bad is I still don't know whether Mitch will convict Trump or if he is just playing politics.

Hasn't Mitch disclosed that he thinks Trump has committed impeachable offences.

Thats enough for me. He wants the Trumps out of the Republican party albeit he will try go softly softly with it and hope Trump fades into obscurity over the coming months. That lack of social media accounts will go a long way to achieving that.

ELM327

Northernlily wrote: »

Hasn't Mitch disclosed that he thinks Trump has committed impeachable offences.

Thats enough for me. He wants the Trumps out of the Republican party albeit he will try go softly softly with it and hope Trump fades into obscurity.

Impeachment requires 2/3 majority of the Senate. Even if the democrats turn a couple of republicans they are likely 20 votes from winning - a huge % of a ~100 seat house.

[Deleted User]

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Greta can now watch as Biden fobs her off with lots of promises and no action.

Biden is going to rejoin the Paris Agreement on his first day. That's more than Trump did in his whole four year term.

dwayneshintzy

ELM327 wrote: »

Impeachment requires 2/3 majority of the Senate. Even if the democrats turn a couple of republicans they are likely 20 votes from winning - a huge % of a ~100 seat house.

They need 17 total, and there's some Republicans who are already likely to convict. I wouldn't rule it out at all, especially if McConnell isn't opposed.

Overheal

Northernlily wrote: »

Hasn't Mitch disclosed that he thinks Trump has committed impeachable offences.

Thats enough for me. He wants the Trumps out of the Republican party albeit he will try go softly softly with it and hope Trump fades into obscurity over the coming months. That lack of social media accounts will go a long way to achieving that.

That's the thing. He could easily be talking out of both sides of his mouth. Sorry, but this man and his party also made a great big fuss about confirming a justice in an election year, and then they nominated and confirmed a justice within days of a general election. I don't trust a god damn word they say, talk is cheap.

LuckyLloyd

ELM327 wrote: »

I see trump running again for '24, running against either Biden/Harris or worse, Harris/AN Other.
If it's the latter or Biden increases taxes, then I don't think Trump is near done. He got the second highest vote ever received in a presidential election

Trump is done pal. He will have to face his creditors now and the district attorney in New York, never mind what is yet to happen in the Senate.

The great illusion of Trump was built around the idea of him as a winner, a great businessman. The teflon strong man who owned the libs over and over. Well he has lost in the most brutal and declarative way possible over the past couple of months from an electoral perspective and - in a few more months - any pretences of him being a great businessman will be utterly shattered.

We can now call him what he is and always has been: a conman loser who will go down in history as the worst to ever hold office. Goodbye and goodluck, you'll need it.

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dwayneshintzy wrote: »

They need 17 total, and there's some Republicans who are already likely to convict. I wouldn't rule it out at all, especially if McConnell isn't opposed.

Only 10 of the 211 republicans crossed the aisle in congress. They need 17 senators out of 50 to cross this time. I think it's very unlikely.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

Impeachment requires 2/3 majority of the Senate. Even if the democrats turn a couple of republicans they are likely 20 votes from winning - a huge % of a ~100 seat house.

Each time you've predicted something it's failed..

How does that feel. Backing such a sore loser to the end.

I'm loving how you think Harris is a lefty though this all really amazing stuff. Top work keep it going. I want to hear more.

Faugheen

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

They need 17 total, and there's some Republicans who are already likely to convict. I wouldn't rule it out at all, especially if McConnell isn't opposed.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if McCOnnell doesn't convict, but works the moderates and others to get enough votes to convict him.

You'd think Murkowski, Sasse and Romney will do it definitely, and if Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Josh Hawley etc want any chance of winning the nomination then they'll vote to convict him too.

ELM327

listermint wrote: »

Each time you've predicted something it's failed..

How does that feel. Backing such a sore loser to the end.

I'm loving how you think Harris is a lefty though this all really amazing stuff. Top work keep it going. I want to hear more.

False.

Everything from the trump win to the repeal the 8th win, and much more besides, I had predicted correctly.

No one predicted 2020.

BorneTobyWilde

Deleted User wrote: »

Biden is going to rejoin the Paris Agreement on his first day. That's more than Trump did in his whole four year term.

Yea '' rejoin'' and look where the world is . It's all falsehoods from democrats, ''we'll join, give billions in taxpayers money to look good'' but then do feck all in the fight against climate change.

ohnonotgmail

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

They need 17 total, and there's some Republicans who are already likely to convict. I wouldn't rule it out at all, especially if McConnell isn't opposed.

They don't even need 17 to vote to convict. Conviction takes a 2/3rd majority of those present so GOP senators not turning up to the vote helps towards a conviction. if 10 GOP senators dont turn up they need 10 to vote to convict.

Faugheen

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Yea '' rejoin'' and look where the world is . It's all falsehoods from democrats, ''we'll join, give billions in taxpayers money to look good'' but then do feck all in the fight against climate change.

He's signing 15 executive orders tonight that undo the damage Trump has caused.

You really have a problem dealing with facts. Seriously.

Muahahaha

Deleted User wrote: »

What is he saying, nuke the world?

He stuck the boot into Trump a fair bit, called him graceless for not showing up today. Duffy didnt ask him about him being gung ho for starting a war with Iran. He gave the usual guff about wanting to serve his country rather than serve Trump. Then he plugged his book and that was it.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Biden is going to rejoin the Paris Agreement on his first day. That's more than Trump did in his whole four year term.

For all Trump's bluster on this I believe that technically the US has not in fact left just yet. When Trump was siging it I recall a point being made at the time that it would not take effect until well past the November elections so there was hope that a new President would revoke it.

I am open to correction.

everlast75

Muahahaha wrote: »

He stuck the boot into Trump a fair bit, called him graceless for not showing up today. Duffy didnt ask him about him being gung ho for starting a war with Iran. He gave the usual guff about wanting to serve his country rather than serve Trump. Then he plugged his book and that was it.

Bolton is a ****ing coward.

As well as sending other people's children off to war given half the chance, that spineless excuse dodged testifying at the first impeachment for fear of it affecting his book sales.

He can **** right off...

BorneTobyWilde

Faugheen wrote: »

He's signing 15 executive orders tonight that undo the damage Trump has caused.

You really have a problem dealing with facts. Seriously.

Damage?
Booming economy, pre covid
Booming Jobs
Tighter border
Making countries pay for '' being the worlds police''

Going back to getting walked all over is undoing damage.

Muahahaha

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

They need 17 total, and there's some Republicans who are already likely to convict. I wouldn't rule it out at all, especially if McConnell isn't opposed.

If Trump goes on about setting up this Patriot Party that means he will split the Republican vote in half in 2024 and hand the White House to the Dems. The only way Mitch can prevent that is to convict him in the Senate and make sure Trump can never run for public office again. So I would say right now it is game on that Mitch wields the axe to ensure the self preservation of the Republican party.

[Deleted User]

partyguinness wrote: »

For all Trump's bluster on this I believe that technically the US has not in fact left just yet. When Trump was siging it I recall a point being made at the time that it would not take effect until well past the November elections so there was hope that a new President would revoke it.

I am open to correction.

They have withdrawn.

On 4 August 2017, the Trump administration delivered an official notice to the United Nations that the U.S. intended to withdraw from the Paris Agreement as soon as it was legally eligible to do so. The formal notice of withdrawal could not be submitted until the agreement was in force for 3 years for the US, on 4 November 2019. On 4 November 2019, the US government deposited the withdrawal notification with the Secretary General of the United Nations, the depositary of the agreement, and officially withdrew from the Paris climate accord one year later when the withdrawal became effective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

[Deleted User]

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Yea '' rejoin'' and look where the world is . It's all falsehoods from democrats, ''we'll join, give billions in taxpayers money to look good'' but then do feck all in the fight against climate change.

Oh you sweet summer child.

Republicans do something negative - "ah sure it's not a bother, I'm sure democrats would do the same or even worse lol".

Democrats do something positive - "yeah but why aren't they doing this other thing also? I mean I know republicans aren't doing either, but still..."

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

They have withdrawn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

Correct , so they've only actually been gone for ~2 Months.

Not sure what if any impact the Trump decision had in reality.

AMKC

briany wrote: »

Let's see - an overweight, 74 year old man, with a noted taste for fast food and diet coke, who only sleeps a few hours a night. Technically, he should already be dead. He certainly shouldn't be in any fit state to fly to 5 rallies in one day. He shouldn't really have much energy at all. He seems to be wholly powered by a burning nuclear core of vindictiveness and ego, and it seemingly has allowed his body to defy the laws of nature which rule the rest of us.

Maybe that is why we did not see much of him for the last week. Because he had nothing to get him out of bed or to tweet about because he had no where to post it thankfully. He had to store the little energy he had left for today's bul,****.

[Deleted User]

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Correct , so they've only actually been gone for ~2 Months.

Not sure what if any impact the Trump decision had in reality.

He gave notice of withdrawal in 2017 at a time when it was much more likely he would win a second term. It would have had a much bigger impact if American hasn't come to its senses in this election.

partyguinness

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Correct , so they've only actually been gone for ~2 Months.

Not sure what if any impact the Trump decision had in reality.

That is probably the point I was picking up on in 2017.

It wasnt me123

I've just watched his final speech - he wears his make up like a man in drag - no offence to men in drag.

He just talked nonsence, um ah, we did this and we did that and we are the greatest - what a clown - so glad he is gone

mojesius

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I've just watched his final speech - he wears his make up like a man in drag - no offence to men in drag.

He just talked nonsence, um ah, we did this and we did that and we are the greatest - what a clown - so glad he is gone

It was truly surreal and hilarious. Trump junior crying, the best of the 80s hits playing on loudspeaker and that awful 'look at ME' speech. You can't buy class.