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FreudianSlippers

markodaly wrote: »

I know its nice and all to beat the government over the schools issue, but is any blame going to go to the Teacher Unions who seem to be dictating policy now.

The people elected the government, we didn't elect the Unions to run our education system.

+1

Schools certainly shouldn't be open, but I don't want a bunch of unelected union losers dictating policy.

FreudianSlippers

smurgen wrote: »

Well this is awkward. Mate of then Taoiseach gets copy of confidential contract before Minister of Health. In any other country he would be gone or arrested.

https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1351787381398102016?s=19

Wait again, or is this just a repost of the same story from before Christmas (early November?)?

McMurphy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Wait again, or is this just a repost of the same story from before Christmas (early November?)?

Read the linked to article.

It covers foi documents previously not covered.

It's not difficult really.

FrancieBrady

Would finish off any normal TD in any normal party.

FreudianSlippers

McMurphy wrote: »

Read the linked to article.

It covers foi documents previously not covered.

It's not difficult really.

It's considered good form to provide a bit of background to your posts and to be open to questions on what you're posting. It's not difficult really.

[Deleted User]

Bowie wrote: »

The unions represent the teachers interests.
Maybe the government should take responsibility for whatever it is they do.

The government are trying to take responsibility for the special needs children. Shame on the few teachers who are looking after number one.

Cluedo Monopoly

FFers must be looking back at who negotiated the cabinet positions back in June...

Ministry of Agriculture - 3 of them achieved nothing but disgrace
Minsitry of Health - People are sick at the sight of Donnelly and his ongoing guff/excuses. Always reactive, never pro-active.
Minstry of Education - Oh dear. Foley was handed another poisoned chalice and she put more poison in it.
Ministry for Public Expenditure and Reform - Hello? Anyone there?
Ministry for Housing - Who? What?
Taoiseach - Nice timing

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would finish off any normal TD in any normal party.

No, it wouldn't really.

markodaly

Bowie wrote: »

The unions represent the teachers interests.
Maybe the government should take responsibility for whatever it is they do.

So why are the Unions dictating public health policy when it comes to the re-opening of schools?
Teachers are good at teaching. They are not qualified health professionals.

[Deleted User]

smurgen wrote: »

Well this is awkward. Mate of then Taoiseach gets copy of confidential contract before Minister of Health. In any other country he would be gone or arrested.

https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1351787381398102016?s=19

How frightfully awkward. Wasn’t this thrashed out last November? Didn’t a rag try to do a hatchet piece on Leo?
I suppose anything to divert attention from the disgraceful teachers unions withholding vital services from their special needs students?

McMurphy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's considered good form to provide a bit of background to your posts and to be open to questions on what you're posting. It's not difficult really.

Really?

I thought it was expected to provide links to a story you were commenting on, which happened here on this occasion.

I think what you did, was jump in two feet first with a comment, instead of actually reading the article linked to.

People won't be taking you by the hand and guiding you I'm afraid.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Any normal country,what went on there would be a serious offence,with likely a jail term of several years

In eire,its somehow the oppositions fault,and no responsibility needed

Simon Harris dragged into the mire too. Shows himself to be a servile lackey tbh.

Bishop of hope

It looks like Leo jumped the gun. The minister hadn't got a copy because the deal wasn't finalised even as Leo posted a copy to a nobody really.
Of course it's back in the headlines, it looks incredibly bad and this is a new twist given that everybody on the govt side said the deal was finalised, but it now appears that wasn't the case.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-leaked-gp-contract-while-minister-for-health-was-urgently-seeking-copy-1.4462651?mode=amp

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Simon Harris dragged into the mire too. Shows himself to be a servile lackey tbh.

Servile Simon the second.

Coveney during the Irish Water fiasco still holds the crown though.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It looks like Leo jumped the gun. The minister hadn't got a copy because the deal wasn't finalised even as Leo posted a copy to a nobody really.
Of course it's back in the headlines, it looks incredibly bad and this is a new twist given that everybody on the govt side said the deal was finalised, but it now appears that wasn't the case.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-leaked-gp-contract-while-minister-for-health-was-urgently-seeking-copy-1.4462651?mode=amp

It's his main defense torpedoed. He mislead the Dail. Also Simon Harris said he had full confidence in Varadkar. What basis was that on? Did he know that Varadkar had sent a document that he as minister of Health was waiting on out to someone not involved in the negotiations?

smurgen

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's considered good form to provide a bit of background to your posts and to be open to questions on what you're posting. It's not difficult really.

The new details are in the tweet. Literally right there.

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

It's his main defense torpedoed. He mislead the Dail. Also Simon Harris said he had fill confidence in Varadkar. What basis was that on? Did he know that Varadkar had sent a document that he as minister of Health was waiting on out to someone not involved in the negotiations?

It won't make much difference though really I feel.
I don't think it made or would have made any difference to the agreement.
But if it had been Harris that leaked it he'd be toast I'd say.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

because the government worked to.coverup school outbreaks..

The unions,particularly teachers,are often chancers,but in this instance,their 100% in right to look after the health and welfare,and working conditions of their members

Its incomprehensible to me,that the government didnt plan for possibility of having to close schools a 2nd time,

Did government slash ppe money to schools?

Shopworkers can manage. Why not teachers of special needs children?

FreudianSlippers

McMurphy wrote: »

Really?

I thought it was expected to provide links to a story you were commenting on, which happened here on this occasion.

I think what you did, was jump in two feet first with a comment, instead of actually reading the article linked to.

People won't be taking you by the hand and guiding you I'm afraid.

I'm sorry that you don't understand the difference between a comment and a question.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Read the linked to article.

It covers foi documents previously not covered.

It's not difficult really.

I did, and Pearse is telling porkies again.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

because the government worked to.coverup school outbreaks..

The unions,particularly teachers,are often chancers,but in this instance,their 100% in right to look after the health and welfare,and working conditions of their members

Its incomprehensible to me,that the government didnt plan for possibility of having to close schools a 2nd time,

Did government slash ppe money to schools?

Yeah, teachers know better than the public health officials?

Floppybits

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's considered good form to provide a bit of background to your posts and to be open to questions on what you're posting. It's not difficult really.

What you need background to the then Taoiseach leaking a confidential document to his mate before it published. The the same Tainiste stands up in the Dail and lies about it and now under FOI the Irish Times and discovered that not only did he leak the document to his mate, the then Health Minister didn't have a copy of it. Varadkar has lied through his teeth through this whole thing and anyone with an ounce of decency can see that and by right Varadkar should be sacked.

blanch152

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's considered good form to provide a bit of background to your posts and to be open to questions on what you're posting. It's not difficult really.

Not on this thread, you can just dump a Twitter link, make an unsubstantiated comment and blame the government.

FreudianSlippers

smurgen wrote: »

The new details are in the tweet. Literally right there.

They literally are not in the tweet unless your reading comprehension is as bad as others. It's also not clear from the article whether this is the same leak as reported previously or a separate leaked document. It's not a ****ing difficult question to answer unless you don't know the answer yourself, is it?

FreudianSlippers

Floppybits wrote: »

What you need background to the then Taoiseach leaking a confidential document to his mate before it published. The the same Tainiste stands up in the Dail and lies about it and now under FOI the Irish Times and discovered that not only did he leak the document to his mate, the then Health Minister didn't have a copy of it. Varadkar has lied through his teeth through this whole thing and anyone with an ounce of decency can see that and by right Varadkar should be sacked.

I asked a simple ****ing question but do go off on one.

Floppybits

smurgen wrote: »

It's his main defense torpedoed. He mislead the Dail. Also Simon Harris said he had full confidence in Varadkar. What basis was that on? Did he know that Varadkar had sent a document that he as minister of Health was waiting on out to someone not involved in the negotiations?

It begs the question who actually was the real minister for health? It seems to me that Harris was only the minister in name only but it was Varadkar that was pulling the strings. Or did Varadkar not have the confidence in his own appointed Health Minister that he was cutting him out of decisions?

FreudianSlippers

Deleted User wrote: »

why are you cursing?

Why not?

"Cursing" lol.

grayzer75

Deleted User wrote: »

Shopworkers can manage. Why not teachers of special needs children?

Who's going to look after the teachers kids?

blanch152

grayzer75 wrote: »

Who's going to look after the teachers kids?

The same childcare workers looking after the children of the other essential workers like retail workers, nurses, meat factory workers etc.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems so....didnt holohan say schools represent significant risk?

No.