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Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

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MOD VOICE: So as not to take up room on the helmet thread I have taken out the last few pages of hi vis related material and put it together here. All material or threads relating specifically to hi vis will be moved in here or locked if it repeats what is already said in here. There are a few off topic posts but from now on if we could keep the discussion to Hi Vis, and related topics.

Cram

Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar was interviewed by Sean O'Rourke on RTE Radio 1 this morning.

Questions were submitted by listeners, and someone asked whether hi-viz and helmets were to be made mandatory for cyclists.

The Minister's response (paraphrased) was "hi-viz possibly, but the evidence is not great that helmets have a big impact on road safety."

I have mixed views on that response. The situation with helmets has been well rehearsed in this thread -- evidence of modest benefit versus anti-cycling effect of mandatory laws -- but it's odd that the Minister might consider making hi-viz mandatory given that there is no evidence (to date) that it reduces casualties.

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breezy1985

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It's funny to see the blame passing by the drivers onto pedestrians in this twitter thread...

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1350068211652419584?s=19

On the spot fines for pedestrians not wearing hi-vis. First off how many people on a quiet country road would ever be caught but if it was a thing would we be fining the 12yo kids as well

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It's funny to see the blame passing by the drivers onto pedestrians in this twitter thread...

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1350068211652419584?s=19

Including one such comment from a driving school in Cork. Now deleted of course...

Steoller

breezy1985 wrote: »

On the spot fines for pedestrians not wearing hi-vis. First off how many people on a quiet country road would ever be caught but if it was a thing would we be fining the 12yo kids as well

Totally unenforceable. I mean, how is a Guard supposed to find them and fine them if they're not wearing Hi-vis, and thus invisible?

zell12

Black car crashes into hi-vis van with cctv symbol emblazoned upon it in London
http://camdennewjournal.com/article/black-cab-crashes-with-police-van-outside-tube-station

breezy1985

zell12 wrote: »

Black car crashes into hi-vis van with cctv symbol emblazoned upon it in London
http://camdennewjournal.com/article/black-cab-crashes-with-police-van-outside-tube-station

The good news is it was just a taxi and a van. Luckily no humans involved

07Lapierre

Even CSS have turned against us! :mad:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKO7e4PHzaL/?igshid=11bqzqzix33ft

eeeee

As my father says, 'If you see an ass ride it'.

Markcheese

I honestly love that this thread is still going , I don't often visit it , but just seeing it's continued active presence gives me a chuckle ..

magicbastarder

CramCycle

Markcheese wrote: »

I honestly love that this thread is still going , I don't often visit it , but just seeing it's continued active presence gives me a chuckle ..

Its the fact that after nearly 2500 posts, the passion that new posters bring in rehashing issues that have been discussed in detail is invigorating. It's a bit like Reddit I suppose as they can't see the points made before and therefore can start again with some radical view on hi vis that one else has ever mentioned before. People like this bring me hope for the future as if they are this passionate about a subject they haven't read up on much, imagine how much they benefit the Irish economy in the real world, when they go to work and get involved in something they actually have more than a passing knowledge on, it must be incredible what they achieve.

magicbastarder

exactly, this thread has averaged 0.96 posts per day over seven years. if you want to see proper 'i don't know what i'm talking about and that only makes me more confident in what i say' posting, i reckon the covid threads would knock this one into a cocked hat.
they probably get 0.96 posts ever couple of minutes.

Seth Brundle

https://twitter.com/Hackneycyclist/status/1356580494989787138

Paddigol

Seth Brundle wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Hackneycyclist/status/1356580494989787138

It was the safety cushion's own fault for not wearing a helmet. Guarantee you that it didn't have a bell either. Typical. Doesn't pay road tax and expects special treatment. Shouldn't have been on the road holding up traffic. I hope the car owner sues...

rubadub

https://twitter.com/vizcomic/status/1365225094763675649/photo/1

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Seth Brundle

The RSA are at it again (I don't think it received one positive reply)...

https://twitter.com/RSAIreland/status/1371189388114194433

07Lapierre

We should all register for this competition and flood it with images of car-free streets, good cycle lanes and Gardai strictly enforcing speed limits!

magicbastarder

"They will receive an armband, and a certificate that gives them the power to instruct everyone to wear safety gear while out walking or cycling."
good god, what's terrifying is not that they're saying you've to wear hi-vis, they're actively empowering children to be annoying little busybodies.

safety gear while walking. give me patience.

RobertFoster

magicbastarder wrote: »

"They will receive an armband, and a certificate that gives them the power to instruct everyone to wear safety gear while out walking or cycling."
good god, what's terrifying is not that they're saying you've to wear hi-vis, they're actively empowering children to be annoying little busybodies.

safety gear while walking. give me patience.

I'm certain I read or watched some dystopian thing recently where all adults were afraid of children because every little transgression was reported to the state. I can't remember what it was and Google keeps recommending Tusla.

breezy1985

magicbastarder wrote: »

"They will receive an armband, and a certificate that gives them the power to instruct everyone to wear safety gear while out walking or cycling."
good god, what's terrifying is not that they're saying you've to wear hi-vis, they're actively empowering children to be annoying little busybodies.

safety gear while walking. give me patience.

It's double plus stupid

Stark

It's a common enough trope in dystopian fiction. 1984 for instance has parents being ratted out by their children. And that would have been based on real world authoritarian regimes.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/thousands-of-children-used-as-spies-by-ceausescu-s-police-1.1262463

(The Nazis as well obviously but I didn't want to do a Godwin's law on it

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Sir_Humpy

I wish I could claim to understand the thought process of people in the RSA, but I honestly don't know. I can only assume they're simply overstaffed with people who know how to organise fun competitions for school kids, and understaffed with people who actually have data driven expertise of road safety, based on international experience.

CramCycle

A zoom call in my kids school was an all school assembly and they picked out various students to do cultural bits and pieces for recent festivals/holidays. Well one of the 3rd class kids told everyone that they had a huge party in their house to celebrate the festival, and they had loads of people over visiting. The looks of disgust from other kids was intense, with one of the 1st class students at the next class zoom calls taking the opportunity to tell everyone that's why we are in this mess. My kids teacher at the Parent teacher meeting said there are no secrets, they tell them everything, it is quite comical, you become shocked by nothing. Everything from relationships, gossip, shenanigans to alcohol consumption is relayed on a regular basis in the infant classes. They hear everything and relay all of it.

Steoller

I'm surprised they think they'll reach many 2nd class schoolchildren through twitter, of all things. Maybe their problem is that they're wildly optimistic, rather than totally out of touch.

Seth Brundle

https://twitter.com/rivasmj/status/1371817643548758022?s=19

RobertFoster

RSA: Everyone wear hi viz!
DCC: k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIW-ZjrO7wk

I know it's the same 5/6 cyclists doing loops for the video, but you'd think everyone (including the Gardaí, the bus...) decided yellow was the colour of the day.

buffalo

RobertFoster wrote: »

RSA: Everyone wear hi viz!
DCC: k

I know it's the same 5/6 cyclists doing loops for the video, but you'd think everyone (including the Gardaí, the bus...) decided yellow was the colour of the day.

Hopefully nobody ends up injured arguing that a DCC video told them it was fine to 'proceed with caution' when there's a bus ahead indicating left. This seems like madness to me.

Stark

I cycle that way regularly and going straight on even when the left arrow is red is dodgy sometimes. (You get the odd impatient idiot who'll turn and try to take up a "headstart" position even though there are people trying to cross on the pedestrian light). If I saw traffic had started to turn, I'd be taking up position to the right of the left turning traffic before heading straight on.

[Deleted User]

Yeah same as, I don't care what right of way I have, I just don't trust people to check mirrors in those situations.

RobertFoster

buffalo wrote: »

Hopefully nobody ends up injured arguing that a DCC video told them it was fine to 'proceed with caution' when there's a bus ahead indicating left. This seems like madness to me.

It does seem a bit contradictory to the passing on the left bit of 332/2012 alright. The cyclist can't proceed because of the indicator, the other vehicle can't turn because of the flashing amber.

I wonder does it eventually turn green or is it only red/flashing amber.

CramCycle

Seems odd and to fly in the face of legislation as it stands, or am I misunderstanding it? Or are they trying to imply that not being a f*ckh*le is a legal requirement rather than a hope for road users.