Omackeral wrote: » That’s the thing, yet Paddy Premiership thinks it’s gas to point out loads of Man United’s fans come from London without a hint of irony.
doublejobbing 2 wrote: » Croatia is across from Italy. Consistently punch well above their weight.
Mad_maxx wrote: » also factor in that New Zealand is completely barren in terms of the arts compared to Ireland , sport is how kiwis express themselves , they are certainly not story tellers or poets
Dr. Bre wrote: » Yep . At least if your a Londoner and follow united you are supporting a team in your country . If rovers and bohs had supporters who are from outside Dublin well at least they support a team in Ireland. It doesn’t happen here tho
Deleted User wrote: » Leagues themselves might not be an issue, but the voting at the AGM based on those leagues is part of the reason Delaney got away with everything for so long. Limerick is a decent example of the general malaise in the LOI considering the current demise of Limerick FC and the promised arrival of Thomond United. Even with the return to the Market's Field (a fine stadium, imo) we couldn't sustain crowds (partially due to the on-going split between the club owner and the fans) needed to sustain top level football in the city. I never know how much faith to place in the rumours that footballers with the big junior clubs are paid more than Limerick FC players were but there definitely seemed to be a culture of players opting out of higher level football to stay junior. You don't see that as often in the GAA (where lads will only play club level but refuse to play inter-county) though it does happen. Anyhow, the easiest way to improve crowds at LOI is to build bars in each one and sell alcohol. No bar or alcohol in the redeveloped Market's Field is one example of a revenue stream closed for no good reason. The LOI need to make it easy for casual fans to choose to attend matches, pints with the lads is one option. Anyhow, any who doesn't go to LOI matches is missing out. The football is obviously way worse that the premier league but the atmosphere can be great fun. I remember going to Limerick games when we were in a relegation dog-fight and every goal counted massively. Great entertainment.
cms88 wrote: » I can get the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool etc But you tend to see for example a lot of Irish people who support Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Nottingham Forest etc
Omackeral wrote: » A handful of Forest fans from the European glory days. I’ve yet to meet a Boro fan.
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » This is one thing that I think goes against soccer attendance. Now I'm not say that your suggestion of selling alcohol at a venue is not a good one, it's just that soccer does not seem as family friendly as GAA. It's a "lads" thing. I have been to a few LOI games, loads of Irish international soccer games and multitudes of GAA games. From what I have observed the attendance difference between the soccer and the GAA is stark. The soccer is primarily (not exclusively but primarily) males. And those males are primarily aged 16 to 50 or so. Any family attendance is primarily father and son. The GAA on the other hand has a far more varied attendance. Mothers and fathers with young kids, babies even. Teenage lads. Teenage and early 20s girls all dolled up to the nines. OAPs both male and female. As a family we have gone to lots of Saturday night national league GAA games, but we would never think of going as a family to a LOI game. The atmosphere is just different. I also believe it is to do with the community aspect of following GAA, in that the young, old, male, female are equally involved in their local club and equally involved is following the county team. But that's just one thing I observed from going to both soccer and GAA
cms88 wrote: » I know of a few down here, and i'm in Kerry! May or many not have been in the late 90s when they were in the cup finals. \I know a few Blackburn fans who are after the mid 90s also
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » This is one thing that I think goes against soccer attendance. Now I'm not say that your suggestion of selling alcohol at a venue is not a good one, it's just that soccer does not seem as family friendly as GAA. It's a "lads" thing. I have been to a few LOI games, loads of Irish international soccer games and multitudes of GAA games. From what I have observed the attendance difference between the soccer and the GAA is stark. The soccer is primarily (not exclusively but primarily) males. And those males are primarily aged 16 to 50 or so. Any family attendance is primarily father and son. The GAA on the other hand has a far more varied attendance. Mothers and fathers with young kids, babies even. Teenage lads. Teenage and early 20s girls all dolled up to the nines. OAPs both male and female. As a family we have gone to lots of Saturday night national league GAA games, but we would never think of going as a family to a LOI game. The atmosphere is just different. I also believe it is to do with the community aspect of following GAA, in that the young, old, male, female are equally involved in their local club and equally involved in following the county team. But that's just one thing I observed from going to both soccer and GAA
cms88 wrote: » Why do people think Irish people do support English teams so much? I can get the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool etc But you tend to see for example a lot of Irish people who support Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Nottingham Forest etc There's no reason people can't follow both, however something i think puts people off is some LOI fans. You see them on social media all the time. THey either have a gripe with the GAA or ''bar strollers'. I sometimes think they actually don't want others to start going to games etc
cms88 wrote: » Why do people think Irish people do support English teams so much?I can get the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool etc But you tend to see for example a lot of Irish people who support Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Nottingham Forest etc There's no reason people can't follow both, however something i think puts people off is some LOI fans. You see them on social media all the time. THey either have a gripe with the GAA or ''bar strollers'. I sometimes think they actually don't want others to start going to games etc
doublejobbing 2 wrote: » This. From some of the stuff you read online the day trippers killed the atmosphere in Anfield and OT years ago. I think all the same there are thousands of untapped fans who just don't realise how good a LOI match is and how they can be part of it. Tourists are common at LOI matches. They are more than welcome as they are almost always the same shade of support as the locals, not some lad from Clonmel taking a selfie in Liverpool as Salah takes a corner behind him.
WesternZulu wrote: » As a Mayo man it doesn't sit right supporting Galway United although I have gone to a few of their games.
Omackeral wrote: » We have a GAA culture in this country. Our football, or soccer, culture is getting on a bandwagon when Ireland qualify for a major championships once a decade and also it consists of roaring at a telly in a pub on weekends and calling Mick from Clonmel a Scouse bin-dipper on Facebook.
Samsonsmasher wrote: » Until there is the same passion for soccer as there is for hurling and Gaelic football in rural Ireland we are never going to be able compete with other countries or European clubs. The best athletes in the country are wasted playing GAA. Not just potential soccer players but potential Olympic athletes. There is just no other sporting outlet. It's as simple as that.
Muahahaha wrote: » Croatias sporting success goes back to the Cold War days when they were Yugoslavia and they heavily funded athletes there as a way of fomenting national pride and sticking it to the west. Its something that has endured since they got independence. They've produced some remarkable technically gifted footballers over the years too, they got to the semi finals of the World Cup in both 1998 and 2018 which is some achievement for such a small nation. Yeah aside from Peter Jackson (Oscar) and Lorde (Grammy) its difficult to think of many other NZ successes in the arts on an international stage. Im sure there are others but sport in NZ is the be all and end all.
doublejobbing 2 wrote: » I've never been to a match in Britain. If I were to go to one in London frankly I'd head down Charlton Athletic or Millwall for a look (might keep my accent on the DL at Millwall mind :pac:) Just proper rough and ready stadiums and fans. If I were up North I'd sooner to head to Oldham or Bury (if they start again) than nod off watching rubbish like the derby yesterday. In Scotland I'd probably rather visit Hibs over Celtic for a match, even though I was quite into Celtic back in the day (more in the CL than caring about the SPL). The reaction to finally having to go a season without winning everything available has been incredibly cringe from their fans.
Mad_maxx wrote: » is the animosity between Hibs and Hearts as intense as that of the old firm ? obviously two small sides by comparison with the Glasgow pairing so perhaps the rivalry is under reported ?
Muahahaha wrote: » Yeah aside from Peter Jackson (Oscar) and Lorde (Grammy) its difficult to think of many other NZ successes in the arts on an international stage. Im sure there are others but sport in NZ is the be all and end all.
Brian? wrote: » They're not wasted. Why would you use that word for people who choose a different sport.
Omackeral wrote: » Less publicised and less sectarian but still there.
cms88 wrote: » This is something i can never understand anf it's only said about GAA. You never hear someone who went to England to play soccer when they were young and it may not have worked out as being watsted to the GAA or anyone else
pgj2015 wrote: » A lot of Irish people have an inferiority complex, they think everything English is better than the Irish equivalent. I always prefer Irish versions of things, like I watched the premiership on RTE over match of the day, I watch the Irish dragons den over the one on BBC, same with gogglebox. But some Irish people are the opposite, everything Irish they run down. MY friend who was a west brit even started using english slang and trying to talk like an English person on hoiliday in spain once.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Flight of the Conchords, Kiri Tekanawa, Taika Waititi, off the top of my head. They've a good live music scene I lived there for a while but yes don't have the old writers and poets like Ireland had. They're mad for rugby but the atmosphere is just terrible at All Blacks games. Netball is popular there too for some reason.
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