Wibbs wrote: » I'm loving the not at all inflammatory "riddled with bullets" phrase.
fantaiscool wrote: » Fair enough but I wouldn't leave if I was her. Why should I leave my own country?
Hellokitty1212 wrote: » And yet you literally dismissed racism towards white people by saying it was “grieving family members”.
Hellokitty1212 wrote: » African people I have found to be the most violently homophobic people ever. Some of the bile I’ve heard and read is off the charts twisted.
fantaiscool wrote: » I am not disagreeing with you. She's made a stupid comment and lumped all "county people" into a box which is wrong. It's an offensive comment she's made there no doubt. She's coming out with blanket statements about country people like that because she met some idiots then she loses credibility for sure, whoever she is. It's just a strange comment that I feel stems from her being hurt/abused is all I'm saying and I've personally seen racism that surprised me and made me realize my mates went through more stuff than I ever thought before. On race issues my policy is to take the comments from people on the receiving end at face value generally. I have a friend who is a traveller and when she tells me some stories of abuse/racism she faces, I take her word and I think it would be incredibly arrogant of me to be start giving my opinion like im some kind of authority on the issue when she's the one who is the expert as she's living it every day. Some of the stuff she comes out with is a bit extreme but I know the general attitudes towards travellers and sadly so does she all too well so I believe her. I tend to do that with black/asian etc people too and I think it's really arrogant not to do it, as long as they are coming out with reasonable comments, which in this case she hasn't.
Wibbs wrote: » And if I was a continuing victim of same I'd either leave such a society, never go to one in the first place, or do what most do settle in areas surrounded by "my own".
One eyed Jack wrote: » And your friend didn’t turn around and abuse you, or blame you for the actions of someone else who isn’t you, and that’s the difference between your friend, and that idiot. Nobody is obligated to entertain someone who comes out with that sort of nonsense, no matter how someone treats them, that doesn’t give them an entitlement to take their anger out on anyone else. Race or ethnicity or anything else just doesn’t come into it. I get what you’re alluding to, that people should try and understand why she would say such things before they criticise her for what she’s saying, but I already understand why she’s saying those things - for no deeper reason other than she’s an idiot. We all have plenty of friends of all different races, colours, creeds and ethnicities, and they don’t go on like that, because they’re not idiots, and that’s why I wouldn’t have any inclination to entertain her or try to understand where she’s coming from. I know already where she’s coming from, and experiencing racism and discrimination doesn’t give anyone an entitlement to take their anger out on anyone else. I would say the same of anyone who imagined they had a right to take their anger out on anyone else, they should simply grow up and take responsibility for their own actions and the way they regard other people and treat other people.
Wibbs wrote: » I would largely agree. I've seen quite the number of examples of people who would be seen and would self identify as social progressives become quite hardened over the last twenty years on a few matters. Multiculturalism being one. It was easy to buy into it lock stock and barrel when Ireland was almost exclusively one demographic and diversity was at a remove, but not so much in practice. And it's one reason why the Irish people will not get to vote on it. The government and vested interests know damn well the uncomfortable result.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I think we have US culture, and by extension, African American culture to thank for that. For African Americans, their race is a core part of their identity. So, they've done what Americans are very good at doing:Claiming one thing while the reality is so different. Black people are a collective group. All black people are victims of oppression by the White man. It doesn't matter where they're from or the circumstances of their lives, all Black people are victims of racism. It doesn't matter that African ethnic groups are often more racist and offensive to each other than most western white people. Just as African Americans have tied themselves in knots to project the belief that Black people can't be racist. Ever. You don't really see the same dynamic played out anywhere else. Asians rarely, if ever, point to a collective race identity as being Asian. Their interest is along national lines. Very few Chinese/Japanese would ever suggest that they're connected along racial lines... In the M.East, it's not based on race but religion. White people, themselves, rarely focus on race, instead focusing, again, on national lines or other associations. Race is of vital importance to Black people because it's been proven to be a trump card for gaining benefits in the western world. They're not going to give that up. (I guess the disclaimer is needed that many Black people have zero interest in this malarkey)
Wibbs wrote: » She's young and has been exposed to this stuff for most of her life with any critique, or even measured questions about her narrative either never encountered, or dismissed as a heresy by her politic. These politics are very like religions with very strong self protection built in to dissuade the faithful from any deviation from the credo. To do so as her tweet notes with zero irony marks one out as a "coon" or "Uncle Tom". Well when one is clothed in the garb of the agentless victim, someone from your group not being a victim and having agency is uncomfortable and again raises heretical questions for your beliefs and makes one's insecurity more self evident. Blinkers on. Shutters down. Ahhh comfort. Albeit a temporary one. People would always rather be proven right to their internal dialogues than be happy. This is yet another difference between many Black/African migrant cultures and East Asian ones. East Asians have had quite enough racism aimed their way thanks very much, but they don't have "Uncle Tom" agentless victim narratives within their migrant cultures. They're more self confident and see success as both an aim and the best defence. Hence why if the Chinese diaspora were a nation they'd be one of the richest and best educated on the planet.
fantaiscool wrote: » Emotional friends and family of a guy riddled with bullets (rightly or wrongly by the guards) react emotionally and irrationally against the person they felt wrongly called the guards. Do I agree with it? Of course not but if they were after white people in general I'm sure there were plenty outside the shop.
Hellokitty1212 wrote: » We all saw a clear video of a black mob racially abusing white people barricaded in a shoo for their own protection.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » Things like this are commonly said, but because social media is dominated by attention whores who want to force their agenda upon everyone else it gives a false impression of what people really feel.
Hellokitty1212 wrote: » She is clearly a devotee at the Church of St Ebun.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » Indeed. You look at social media and everyone is saying "trans women are real women" Being gay is normal etc In the real world, or down the pub or in the canteen at work or simple conversation away from ear wigging nosey people you will find, as you say most people dont like this immigration raping the country. Do not like the importation of foreign criminals when we have enough of our own Trans women are not real women, as we have a factual science called biology Travellers are NOT a race but a class and for the most part a criminal class. I believe live and let live, but draw the line when people try to hoodwink me and lie to my face and try alter facts to fit some pc agenda. Things like this are commonly said, but because social media is dominated by attention whores who want to force their agenda upon everyone else it gives a false impression of what people really feel.
doublejobbing 2 wrote: » This. Twitter is arguably the most societally divisive invention in the modern world since organised religion. A tiny proportion of assorted loons can, with a willing media, shape the national narrative on issues that most people in the real world would have a completely different viewpoint on. Go down your local pub (when the bastards let us back in) and listen to how many lads are discussing how we should have birthright citizenship. How we should be bringing in more people from refugee camps in Greece. How George Nkencho was murdered. How "believe women" should be the first reaction to an allegation instead of investigation, trial and conviction by a jury of ones peers based on evidence presented. How asylum seekers should be granted an immediate council house/ subsidised rental home, and to hell what this does to the housing list, the cost of rent, the people breaking their bollix to save for a home of their own. The above issues are things that, at the very most, a few thousand (and that might be generous) students, upper class types and working class unemployables who don't read The Sun et al and fancy themselves as revolutionaries/ republicans would hold. 90% plus of these people with their preferred gender pronoun in their profile bio- I would say in the general public less than 1 in 500 would be daft enough to label themselves with this shiet. Yet the mainstream media treats them as the views of the public at large, based on Twitter shares. It is little different to how a few thousand priests, nuns and community Holy Joes regulated wrongthink in Ireland from the 20's to nearly the 80's almost completely unchallenged.
dog_pig wrote: » https://twitter.com/tobiL22/status/1350420888940908544 Are country people the main barrier to making POC feel safe and comfortable in Ireland?
fantaiscool wrote: » As white people we have no idea of what racism she has experienced and continues to experience.
[Deleted User] wrote: » What an addition to the country. Someone who clearly hates us irish people and is disgusted by her own people who make an effort to integrate. Why do anyone even bother.
One eyed Jack wrote: » What’s this “we” business, paleface? I’m kidding with you, but your point is silly. It’s not because I’m white that I have no idea what racism she had experienced, it’s because I don’t know her, and frankly from the kind of race baiting shyte she posts, I don’t want to know her.
Bambi wrote: » Facebook tends to be full of normal people who vote rather than the mentally ill weirdos that infest Twitter.
fantaiscool wrote: » I don't know her either but I have friends of different races and have personally witnessed them taking abuse for no reason. I was with an Asian lad one time and someone going past in a car screamed a racial expletive at him. We were just walking down the street. He shrugged it off in a way that made it clear it's something he experienced quite a few times. When I asked him he said as much. I'd have no idea of anything like that happens to him at all if I had not been walking with him that specific time.
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