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Ireland is a pretend football country

Did you smash it

Reading on RTE.ie that the public purse will be used to fund a white water rafting complex in the ifsc to the tune of 25 million.

This while “the home of Irish football” Dalymount park is a half condemned ruin.

It amuses me that people think Ireland is a football country because it has the highest participation rate of any sport.

Truth is we have no football economy really beyond a really small time one and no matter what the FAI do they’ll never have the ability to upgrade it as there is no financial investment or wealth in football in the country.

The public’s investment in football amounts to sky sports subscriptions and trips cross channel.

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Strumms wrote: »

People go on about attendance down in the LOI... you will still get thousands more attending LOI games per week, then will get use out of that... 25 million to support a completely niche wokey adventure plaything... that will be by my guesstimation, a white elephant after 5 or 6 years, if not sooner.

But think of all that English stag ladbanter that will be had on it.

Strumms

LuasSimon wrote: »

25 million that white rafting thing near IFSC is due to cost, some WOKE crowd in Dublin City Council driving it

People go on about attendance down in the LOI... you will still get thousands more attending LOI games per week, then will get use out of that... 25 million to support a completely niche wokey adventure plaything... that will be by my guesstimation, a white elephant after 5 or 6 years, if not sooner.

Government here has been historically slow to invest in sports, unless the GAA comes calling.

LuasSimon

Northernlily wrote: »

I can tell you given the high concentration of absolute scrotes in that area that white water rafting facility will be a waste of money.

The IFSC is a facade for some very serious social issues.

25 million that white rafting thing near IFSC is due to cost, some WOKE crowd in Dublin City Council driving it

Strumms

Feenix wrote: »

Crowds would increase but not considerably. It’s still a small league and certain areas are too far away to attend games.
Facilities are getting better but the comparison for the average Irish person isn’t just English football, it’s the top 4 of the Premier League. They’ll never get interested in it.

Bohemians, Shelbourne, Shamrock Rovers, Pats, Cork City, to name 5 clubs off the top of my head, are smack fûcking bang in the middle of large residential population centers though. With excellent transport links...

I’m of the view that if the facilities are there, the product on and off the pitch is attractive and appealing, people will come to watch and enjoy. You NEED both to combine and align.

[Deleted User]

Did you smash it wrote: »

Reading on RTE.ie that the public purse will be used to fund a white water rafting complex in the ifsc to the tune of 25 million.

This while “the home of Irish football” Dalymount park is a half condemned ruin.

It amuses me that people think Ireland is a football country because it has the highest participation rate of any sport.

Truth is we have no football economy really beyond a really small time one and no matter what the FAI do they’ll never have the ability to upgrade it as there is no financial investment or wealth in football in the country.

The public’s investment in football amounts to sky sports subscriptions and trips cross channel.

I can tell you given the high concentration of absolute scrotes in that area that white water rafting facility will be a waste of money.

The IFSC is a facade for some very serious social issues.

Strumms

pgj2015 wrote: »

I think if the clubs could get more Irish internationals to finish their career in the LOI it would help. The first LOI game I went to was so I could see paddy mccourt play live, 12 euro in and it was well worth it, I caught the LOI bug after that game. most Irish man u or liverpool fans dont even know who mccourt is though.

I think brexit will mean Irish youngsters cant go play there until they are 18, that might help the game here as well if they stay here longer.

Dundalk are a great team to watch live as are shamrock rovers, same for bohs. 20 euro for a seat in the stand, 15 to stand, you couldnt go wrong.

It would help enormously.. but when it comes down to it, it’s not going to happen.

Say player X... playing for Doncaster, been falling down the leagues.. 34 now... not making the first 11 all that regularly... thinking about heading home to Dublin, family, mates there....

Makes contact via his agent with Bohemians say and Rovers too.... they offer in the region for arguments sake of 2000 a week. He’s on 9000 a week playing for Doncaster.. no footballer, no human with even half a functioning brain is booking a flight home. Playing in front of 10000-16000 supporters in a modern professionally ran facility like Keapmoat stadium... with a full time gym, medical / rehab facility for injuries, canteen... the fûck would you want to be here for ?

You want to be making the best of your career and abilities. Sell yourself short, why ? Maximize your value, it’s a short career.

Orange Tiny Terror

We have probably 50,000 genuine football fans in Ireland. Enjoy the fact that we have a niche league that is not supported by the kind of day trippers and phoneys you would see in most EPL grounds or Nou Camp or Bernebeau. The type of people who make comments like the league is ****e or pub league, these people are not football fans and should never be taken seriously. Sky sports is just a soap opera for men, a safe way to pretend to be a real football fan.

twowheelsonly

Zebra3 wrote: »

There will be simply no space to expand the stadium.

I was at a Europa League game in BK Hacken (Gothenburg) a few years ago and they have a brand new stadium with the best of facilities but the capacity is only around 5 or 6,000. Fantastic stadium. The way it was built means that they can pop another layer on top in the future should the need arise.

Zebra3

Breezin wrote: »

Gotta start somewhere. What capacity will the rafting white elephant have?

Apt comparison. :rolleyes:

Strumms wrote: »

I think initially 6,000 would be ok, hopefully the design of the stadium will be such that expansion could happen should in 10 years, the fortunes of Bohemians and the league encourage more people to come, hopefully that’s the case.

There will be simply no space to expand the stadium.

Feenix

Strumms wrote: »

If we had have had investment in the league and it’s facilities... you’d be getting people going to the games, more certainly... Considering the levels of interest in the sport that’s a no brainer. Look around the league... nothing approaching a modern, comfortable stadium, Tallaght being the nearest... you need to invest in the product, make it better, more comfortable, attract people...

Crowds would increase but not considerably. It’s still a small league and certain areas are too far away to attend games.
Facilities are getting better but the comparison for the average Irish person isn’t just English football, it’s the top 4 of the Premier League. They’ll never get interested in it.

pgj2015

Did you smash it wrote: »

Last time I looked the co-efficient didn’t agree. Having Jack Byrne was a huge thing for the league. Now he’s gone for big money in ....Cyprus.

Is there anything that will make the casual supporter go to a game now? Dundalk are steady but workmanlike.

I think if the clubs could get more Irish internationals to finish their career in the LOI it would help. The first LOI game I went to was so I could see paddy mccourt play live, 12 euro in and it was well worth it, I caught the LOI bug after that game. most Irish man u or liverpool fans dont even know who mccourt is though.

I think brexit will mean Irish youngsters cant go play there until they are 18, that might help the game here as well if they stay here longer.

Dundalk are a great team to watch live as are shamrock rovers, same for bohs. 20 euro for a seat in the stand, 15 to stand, you couldnt go wrong.

twowheelsonly

Smee_Again wrote: »

Of course it does, look at the difference in facilities between most GAA/Rugby clubs and soccer clubs, there’s money there but the FAI just squander it.

There may not be Premier League type money but there’s potential for more growth.

The facilities in Soccer over the last 20 years have improved in leaps and bounds. To be fair to Delaney it's one of the things that he drove on. When I played we got changed in an old shipping container and we played on a pitch that was roughly as level as a skateboarding park. The same club now has dressing rooms, showers, 2 pitches with sprinklers and drainage and a half size astro. The same is true of many clubs.

I don't agree that the FAI don't care about LoI or local football in general. I deal with lads in the FAI and almost without exception every one of them has a LoI club that they follow or are involved with their own local clubs. There's a very strong LoI culture there and a good slagging between staff on a constant basis.

The problem as I see it is the overall structure. Too many Associations and divisions. All have their own structures (Chairman, Sec, Treasurer etc) and all want to protect what they have. The GAA structure is far better. Limerick for instance has two or three separate adult leagues. In Cork or Dublin you have the likes of the AUL, Munster/Leinster Senior leagues, Shipping Leagues etc. The same filters down at Schoolboys level - Dublin & District SL, North Dublin SL, Metropolitan Girls League etc.
In GAA all clubs are affiliated to their County Board. They in turn are affiliated to their Provincial Council and in turn to the National Council/Congress. Everything flows sweetly up and down (for the most part) and everyone is (again for the most part) working to promote GAA. FAI Council is trying to cater to too many sub-divisions which leads to the pie being too broken up too many times. There's 60 members of the FAI Council - all representing various Leagues or Associations. Why does a country of our size and population need 60 representatives ?

Strumms

Breezin wrote: »

True. And tragically pathetic.

If we had have had investment in the league and it’s facilities... you’d be getting people going to the games, more certainly... Considering the levels of interest in the sport that’s a no brainer. Look around the league... nothing approaching a modern, comfortable stadium, Tallaght being the nearest... you need to invest in the product, make it better, more comfortable, attract people...

StupidLikeAFox

LuasSimon wrote: »

The GAA have a huge advantage in the fact players have to play for where they are from or work, it makes these people local heros embedded in their communities . The GAA really stumbled upon something with the county structures. People who mighnt be GAA but are from Kildare or Galway cant help but hear how their countys team is getting on and if your getting slagged by workmates from other counties without realizing it you get half interested.

Can you imagine if there was a Dublin v Cork All Ireland soccer final played by players only from those counties, it would pack a stadium like the GAA does , equally a Dublin v Antrim or Limerick semi final.

Couldn't agree more - if they had an amateur layer below the LOI based on county boundaries, you would get a lot of buy in from local people who are soccer fans, but can't really relate to any particular club in LOI, shouting for their own county. It could even act as a feeder to LOI, which would give you an interest if someone from your county made the cut

Good luck trying to dismantle all the little fiefdoms that JD created in the fai though

Did you smash it

pgj2015 wrote: »

Not true. The standard of football in the LOI has improved a lot in the last 5 years. Dundalk have been in the Europa league group stages twice in the last 4 years. its a pity the Irish man u and pool die hards cant go watch their own league.

Last time I looked the co-efficient didn’t agree. Having Jack Byrne was a huge thing for the league. Now he’s gone for big money in ....Cyprus.

Is there anything that will make the casual supporter go to a game now? Dundalk are steady but workmanlike.

pgj2015

Did you smash it wrote: »

Not everyone will agree but I’m not convinced Dublin Dons project would have been bad for Irish football.

Unfortunately the LOI hasn’t gone anywhere since. It’s fine blaming the FAI but no sponsor or tv deal is a sad indictment that goes beyond the FAI’s incompetence

Not true. The standard of football in the LOI has improved a lot in the last 5 years. Dundalk have been in the Europa league group stages twice in the last 4 years. its a pity the Irish man u and pool die hards cant go watch their own league.

Did you smash it

Not everyone will agree but I’m not convinced Dublin Dons project would have been bad for Irish football.

Unfortunately the LOI hasn’t gone anywhere since. It’s fine blaming the FAI but no sponsor or tv deal is a sad indictment that goes beyond the FAI’s incompetence

LuasSimon

The GAA have a huge advantage in the fact players have to play for where they are from or work, it makes these people local heros embedded in their communities . The GAA really stumbled upon something with the county structures. People who mighnt be GAA but are from Kildare or Galway cant help but hear how their countys team is getting on and if your getting slagged by workmates from other counties without realizing it you get half interested.

Can you imagine if there was a Dublin v Cork All Ireland soccer final played by players only from those counties, it would pack a stadium like the GAA does , equally a Dublin v Antrim or Limerick semi final.

[Deleted User]

Smee_Again wrote: »

Of course it does, look at the difference in facilities between most GAA/Rugby clubs and soccer clubs, there’s money there but the FAI just squander it.

There may not be Premier League type money but there’s potential for more growth.

Soccer just doesn't generate the income the GAA can and nor does it have the ingrained wealth that rugby has.

The GAA generates income from gate receipts, merchandise, sponsorship, government grants, media rights etc, and at a local level fundraising.
All of this goes back into the association,cand it also does not pay players a salary, just expenses.

Rugby has fee paying schools to develop their players and as well as sponsorship and government grants has very wealthy benefactors, plus it has an international element to generate income from tournaments, tv rights etc.

Soccer has none of these.
Unlike the GAA or rugby the potential revenue from fans is going on sky subs, Premier league merchandise, trips to England etc etc.
For all the soccer fans in the land they are contributing feck all the the FAI, unlike GAA and rugby.

That's why soccer is so poor, it's cannot generate income.

Oh and by the way. The same soccer fans buying sky subs, EPL gear etc are probably playing 5 a side soccer on the local astro rented from the GAA club, the same club who's lotto they do and who's bus they get to intercounty matches in the summer.
The FAI have no chance.

Boomer Rant

Did you smash it wrote: »

There MAY not be?

Yes and I may not go to bed between scarlet Johansson and Jessica Alba tonight.

If you do you'll fairly smash it.

Breezin

super_furry wrote: »

The biggest game in Irish football in on right now. No goals between Liverpool and United yet.

True. And tragically pathetic.

Did you smash it

Smee_Again wrote: »

There may not be Premier League type money but there’s potential for more growth.

There MAY not be?

Yes and I may not go to bed between scarlet Johansson and Jessica Alba tonight.

super_furry

The biggest game in Irish football in on right now. No goals between Liverpool and United yet.

Strumms

Zebra3 wrote: »

Mooted capacity of 6,000.

Game changer all right.

If it happens and in fairness it’s looking possible... Dalymount rebuilds have been talked about for 25 years.. plans, talking, designs, silence has been the repeated way...

If you have a comfortable facility to enjoy and watch the sport, more people will come and regularly... for that, investment needs to be forthcoming....should have been forthcoming a decade ago....

I think initially 6,000 would be ok, hopefully the design of the stadium will be such that expansion could happen should in 10 years, the fortunes of Bohemians and the league encourage more people to come, hopefully that’s the case.

[Deleted User]

Just look at the Aviva.

IRFU had their share paid off long before the FAI (is it even paid off yet?)

Dyr

TimL1974 wrote: »

Everyone wants to blame the likes of John Delaney, and they should, but Irish soccer is rotten to the core.

This is the correct answer.

Government should have cut the lifeline and let soccer start again from scratch if it wanted.

Smee_Again

Did you smash it wrote: »

A popular sentiment but not exactly sure it’s a true one.

Not sure it makes any difference who’s in charge. Ultimately There is no proof there is money in Irish football.

Of course it does, look at the difference in facilities between most GAA/Rugby clubs and soccer clubs, there’s money there but the FAI just squander it.

There may not be Premier League type money but there’s potential for more growth.

Did you smash it

Smee_Again wrote: »

The biggest barrier to football succeeding in Ireland is the FAI, not the GAA.

A popular sentiment but not exactly sure it’s a true one.

Not sure it makes any difference who’s in charge. Ultimately There is no proof there is money in Irish football.

Smee_Again

Shakey_jake wrote: »

All was going fine until the GAA banned everything for games no other country plays.

Hell cricket was f**king massive here until the gaa had to ruin it and im sure soccer would have been in a better place too had it not been frowned upon by the narrow minded

The biggest barrier to football succeeding in Ireland is the FAI, not the GAA.

Did you smash it

Das Reich wrote: »

Portugal have more than teice of Irish population, with many of its players coming from ex colonies.

Twice I take it you mean?

Indeed, but Ireland isn’t exactly playing off the population of the country either. We take players off the north and “from” not off England.