ooter wrote: » Away championship games Dublin senior footballers have played since 2006. Laois, June 2016. Carlow, June 2017. Wicklow, June 2018. Tyrone, July 2018. Louth, May 2019. Tyrone, August 2019.
JeffKenna wrote: » Jez, that's shocking. 6 in 14 years. None of those were knockout were they?
Enquiring wrote: » In fairness, you've been unable or unwilling to answer the majority of questions posed to you and then you continue to ask questions already answered multiple times. So let's get some answers. How can you justify Dublin receiving funding for one development officer for nearly every club while Cork received funding for 6? Cork have far more clubs than Dublin and about half their population.
ooter wrote: » Ok.
Enquiring wrote: » Only 2 of them were away games!!
TCP/IP wrote: » Again not answering the question you are losing a lot of credibility by not answering a straight and simple question.
RoyalCelt wrote: » He tells you what County he's from and he'll get slagged off and it used to discredit his facts. I'm guessing he's from a traditional football County that has had inter County football as a spectacle seriously damaged by the prospect of dublin winning every year. This right here is another big issue. Back when Dublin were beatable the gaa didn't dare put their cash cow in harms way. I didn't see Meath, Wexford, Louth, Laois, Westmeath or Kildare getting home matches vs Dublin or even matches located in neutral counties. It must have scared the gaa when Longford nearly beat them. Decisions like this directly affect results and lead to dublin winning more leinsters then they otherwise would. And you'd wonder about the many dubious calls the dubs got in close leinster matches. And remember this was at a time when the association that hire these refs were publicly stating they needed a more successful dublin. Beggars belief. The final blow is the massive funding disparity and the effort by the GAA to get Dublin's house in order even though they were already decent. You can see why we're losing faith in the sport except at club level. 870k watched the football this year when the entire country was stuck at home. Is that not a bit low?
Strumms wrote: » Let’s break it down for you... A ‘venue’ and its choice is not about the teams but the fans mostly. Like if U2 are playing a one off gig here next month, would it be wrong of them to choose Croke Park ? No, of course not... Of course you could choose The Cork Opera House but I think the idea is, give as many people the opportunity to see and enjoy. Say next years Leinster final is between Dublin and Meath... the demand for tickets from both sides will be ensuring it’s a sell out..76,534 people in attendance or close.... is the right thing to do say that...” sure another home game for Dublin, fûck that, play it in Páirc Tailteann ? Around 32,000 in attendance ? You are fûcking over both Dublin AND Meath supporters by going this way of thinking. Taking 44,000 seats away from the paying GAA loving public, to suit an agenda... we’ve had enough of that shît and that backwards thinking in this country. The fact that Dublin have access to Croker is not by design it’s by necessity... The same reason that the location of the final is not moved every year to give other locations a chance of holding it and a payday.... because the supporters are the primary concern.... a stadium is a theatre... designed to allow spectators to stand or sit, enjoy and view the event.... Croker simply has that capacity. Other infrastructure here simply doesnt. Fitzgerald Stadium, 38,000... 9000 is seated, ok let’s have an All Ireland Semi Final there ? Errrr no. The venue doesn’t stand up to the demands...Pairc Ui Chaoimh 45,000 ? 34,000 people short of the Croker capacity... again, home advantage is a byproduct, but the design of a stadium is to facilitate spectators...I guarantee if Cork had a home semi vs Dublin they’d have a significant number of them chanting for Croker as the venue to enable them to get enough tickets.
tritium wrote: » Again in the interests of clarity, when you say the GAA didn’t dare put dublin in harms way, how does that work exactly? Does someone from headquarters just arrive in a black state car to give Carlow the grim news they’re going to Croker while his henchmen and women laugh evilly. Or is there votes and stuff that lead to that decision? Did representatives from the Leinster counties have an input to the decision for example?
JeffKenna wrote: » Your argument is very disingenuous. I can't believe anybody actually believes Dublin v Meath will be a sell out at any time in the near future. I don't actually think you believe that if you have been going to Dublin games over the past few years. How many Meath people actually travel these days? Say they'll be a lot less than 2019 judging by Meath people on here.
ooter wrote: » Would a Meath/Dublin all Ireland final not sell out? Meath could go all the way to the final without playing dublin.
RoyalCelt wrote: » Everyone from Meath would know we'd get hammered. I wouldn't attend and I'd imagine 10k max would go. Any other year you'd have 40k at least who'd avail of a ticket. Only a handful travel to leinster matches involving Dublin these days and its gotten worse since 2018. You'd want to be offered free tickets and even at that it isn't worth it. I personally didn't watch the last 4 or 5 meetings even on TV and talking to lads in my club I wasn't alone. Nobody cares about leinsters biggest rivalry of the last 100 years.https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/315265 I see the Leinster CEO has acknowledged the championship was good with the exception of dublin matches. Finally a realisation they shouldn't be competing similar to Galway's removal from Connaught hurling championship? Obviously those planning Dublin's annual all Ireland cake walks will emphasise the importance of Leinster to the players but in reality it allows them to build for a peak for the all ireland without breaking a sweat. Playing a provincial match in donegal, kerry, Cork or mayo in may or june wouldn't be ideal. If it's good enough for galway in hurling it's good enough for Dublin in football. The leinster hurling championship has never been better now it's time to save the football.
EICVD wrote: » A first all Ireland appearance in 20 years or so & you wouldn’t go because you know you’d lose, if that’s not a defeatist attitude! What happened to the Meath don’t fear the Dubs times, looks like we’ve strangled the competitiveness out of ye, not that I’m complaining
Strumms wrote: » When Celtic were destroying all in their sights in soccer domestically, Pete Sampras in tennis, Boston Celtics I think during the Bill Russell leadership... from ‘57-‘69 they won everything, nobody was legitimately pissing and moaning...must have been a frustration but.. Championships : 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969 Division Titles : 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965.. Dubs are just superb footballers, worked hard to nurture talent, improve talent... big game players, ability, skills, discipline.... successes... naturally. The goal of every sports man, woman, team... the same, noses just out of joint because not many achieve it...
thesultan wrote: » They have once in generation type players, could be twice in a generation when the loss of Brogan didn't make any difference.. Look at the loss of shefflin to Kilkenny... They make all the sacrifices is a load of rubbish. They train and are looked after professionally. That's why they biltz every team in the last fifteen minutes. No way should there be any big difference in the fitness of intercounty teams but there is a massive difference between Dublin and everyone..
ArielAtom wrote: » For the 500th time, the funding is GDO/GPO funding, targeted at schoolchildren from 5-12 years of age, that is a fact.
thesultan wrote: » No way should there be any big difference in the fitness of intercounty teams but there is a massive difference between Dublin and everyone..
ArielAtom wrote: » The work like every other team. They train. Its up to every team to be at an appropriate level of fitness. That is achievable by everyone. People really ned to stop making excuses regarding a teams preparation and attempting to equate that to funding. For the 500th time, the funding is GDO/GPO funding, targeted at schoolchildren from 5-12 years of age, that is a fact. Some posters like to use the term busted, their arguments were busted long ago, but the have what is referred in horse racing terms as staying power. There needs to be a review of structures, finance was dealt with regarding the above back in 2017. Sponsorship is a difficult one, not sure any county that works hard to get sponsorship will be willing to share, ask Cork or Kerry would they pool sponsorship. The hope of a split is just that, a hope to hang onto. There are some really genuine GAA people on here that have a vested inters in developing the structures and their are the posters that have no other interest but stopping Dublin.
flasher0030 wrote: » Come on. Even the great bold Bertie admits it. From 2005,there was mention of about a million a year. So the "kids" that that money was targeted at are in their mid-20s now - i.e. Fenton, O'Callaghan, Kilkenny etc.https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/bertie-ahern-explains-how-he-helped-finance-the-dublin-gaa-revolution-37366135.html#:~:text=The%20%E2%82%AC3.3%20million%20budget,%C2%A315%2C000%20(senior%20club).
And of course Croke Park is de jure a neutral venue, while also being de facto the place where Dublin footballers play all their home league and championship matches.
