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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That's grand Bowie. I just wanted to clarify that:

Vaccine rollout apparently going badly: all Government fault (piss up in a brewery)
Vaccine rollout apparently going well: Nothing to do with Government.

As long as we are all on the same page in regards to your viewpoint.

Close but no cigar bubba.

You going to show how the frontline worker source and secure vaccinations?

No?

**White noise so**

Bubbaclaus

Bowie wrote: »

Important use of your time?
Can you tell me which frontline workers make policy or organise the logistics of importing and purchasing the vaccines or organising the red tape required before vaccines can be used? If you can, I was talking about them.
Alternatively if you can point to any policy makers who are risking their own health to ensure we get people vaccinated I'll praise them too.

That's grand Bowie. I just wanted to clarify that:

Vaccine rollout apparently going badly: all Government fault (piss up in a brewery)
Vaccine rollout apparently going well: Nothing to do with Government.

As long as we are all on the same page in regards to your viewpoint.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

I guess your post below aged well, didn't it?

Bowie wrote: »

So there's delays in vaccinating because of 'a number of reasons'. We know the main one they mention is 'consent'. This involves the patient or their ward signing a form consenting to taking the vaccine. Ireland seems to be the only country citing this as a block to quicker roll out.
My question is from March of last year didn't they know at some point, the hope was to roll out a vaccine? Couldn't we have started this prior to vaccine approval? On that note, did they wake up one day very recently and turn on their Netscape/Windows 95 system and realise it wasn't fit for purpose?

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

Credibility in short supply.

Suckit

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly has joined FG?

To be fair, you could be forgiven about thinking that about him or Jack Chambers.
But it was no accident that it was that hospital with an FF minister.
Now we must be convinced once and for all that FG aren't doing any hoop jumping for Denis, FF would also be guilty.. :rolleyes: it was all just a coincidence.

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

I sincerely hope that one is not let go of.
'We're all in this together'

Cluedo Monopoly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Holly Cairns destroying FG Colm Walsh? on Tonight show. He's floundering around in waffle on the M&B issue

Colm Burke.

She mauled him. He has no answers.

He is an old school waffler. Answers nothing, just states the obvious.

Bishop of hope

Floppybits wrote: »

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

Stephen Donnelly has joined FG?

Suckit

Floppybits wrote: »

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

Is Denis still in the country availing of the tax free exemption for exiles that Leo set up in March, so he could stay here with the better care system?

FrancieBrady

Holly Cairns destroying FG Colm Burke on Tonight show. He's floundering around in waffle on the M&B issue

Floppybits

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?

A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

When did sourcing and securing vaccination doses become the responsibility of front line healthcare workers? I thought they could only distribute what was provided to them through govt procurement processes tbh?

Maybe they can use these new powers invested in them to source some of the astrazeneca vaccine before it has been approved by the EU, and start administering it too.

I for one will put more effort into my next clap for them.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Ya we need to be more like Leo. We pay double European mortgage rates over Bobby Storey

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1349711534621134849?s=19

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?

A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

Important use of your time?
Can you tell me which frontline workers make policy or organise the logistics of importing and purchasing the vaccines or organising the red tape required before vaccines can be used? If you can, I was talking about them.
Alternatively if you can point to any policy makers who are risking their own health to ensure we get people vaccinated I'll praise them too.

Bubbaclaus

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?

Bowie wrote: »

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

Bowie wrote: »

Like Brexit, (just you wait) the vaccinations are arriving and they are dithering and talking about 'safety' when we know that's code for 'organising'. Incapable of being organised or prepared.

A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Josepha getting foot stuck in mouth again.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1349780241556926466

Proving that a good education is no guarantee of intelligence.

FrancieBrady

Josepha getting foot stuck in mouth again.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1349780241556926466

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Absolutely agree on that.
We will get vaccinated hopefully sooner than might have been planned with more vaccination types getting approval.
Sad that we are where we are now and unfortunately for hundreds if not thousands it will come too late in the day.

Agreed. This going well is in everybody's interest.
The mistakes are hopefully behind us.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Absolutely agree on that.
We will get vaccinated hopefully sooner than might have been planned with more vaccination types getting approval.
Sad that we are where we are now and unfortunately for hundreds if not thousands it will come too late in the day.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Yet here you are cynically attacking my support for frontline workers to get a political dig in.

Who am I missing, the lad who got 14 million to order substandard machines from China or the ministers who flouted their own regulations or the ministers who took the hump with NPHET or the ones over saw us being worst in the world?

Can I not just commend the frontline workers?

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Who's fault would it be if we were slow JJ...the people's probably, not queuing up properly or something something

Jinglejangle69

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

I was thanking the “Willy waving contest” Haven’t laughed so much in some time. There’s little in my life to encourage laughter at the moment!

Sorry to hear that..... lookit.... don’t take things to seriously.

Back on topic now.....

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

It's a shame we can't roll out this in some comfort. It is now a race against time and shouldn't be.

[Deleted User]

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You can sit back and absolve yourself from that criticism,Mary.

No wonder you threw in a thanks.:p

Rest of us have to ‘suck it up’

(No pun intended)

I was thanking the “Willy waving contest” Haven’t laughed so much in some time. There’s little in my life to encourage laughter at the moment!

Brendan Bendar

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Can we move on from the usual willy waving contest folks and discuss the topic at hand. There is a seperate thread for the Mother and Baby homes discussion which you can all knock yourselves out in. Thanks

You can sit back and absolve yourself from that criticism,Mary.

No wonder you threw in a thanks.:p

Rest of us have to ‘suck it up’

(No pun intended)

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

To add to this post, we are 2nd in the EU currently out of the EU27:

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1349748336404869123?s=19

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Bubbaclaus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Great to see the vaccine rollout going so well, one of best in the EU so far and indeed globally. Once we have enough vaccine supply we will start to hopefully see real differences in hospitalizations with this virus.

To add to this post, we are 2nd in the EU currently out of the EU27:

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1349748336404869123?s=19

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who have I defamed?

Like the topic at hand FF/FG are unlikely to open any can of worms puts them in the spotlight.

It would be amusing to see any lawyer to the stars try make some legal case because a person made a valid comment on political parties.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

We are on the FF/FG/Green thread. None of them correspond to your description.

I blamed the exclusionary nationalist and republican viewpoint of the FF party of the 1930s and 1940s for much of what happened. They wanted to create a self-sufficient Catholic little island, they veered differently from an economic perspective once Lemass became Taoiseach, but they never really lost their societal viewpoint of Catholic nationalism which lingered right up until Michael Woods did the disgraceful deal with the Church.

I am very wary of that type of ideology. Nationalism in its various forms, be that fascistic, racist, socialist, or republican is the biggest threat to peace and human rights.

When I said: "rebrands and has a councilor today who admires their fascist roots" I was talking about Fine Gael and Councilor O'Leary.

So if I'm following here, terrorism was okay because it was so long ago therefore FG/FF links to it are fine...but the state being complicit in what the religious orders engaged in is on the republican views of FF/FG at the time but not today, even though we are talking 30/40 years ago and present day with state road blocks put up and a not fit for purpose report. Is that right?

Where do the church/Garda/FF/FG fit in? Are they the fascistic, racist, socialist, or republican?

Necro

Mod:

Can we move on from the usual willy waving contest folks and discuss the topic at hand. There is a seperate thread for the Mother and Baby homes discussion which you can all knock yourselves out in. Thanks