Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » Alan Kelly response Why does it take so long for FFG to compile important legislation? If the banks needed a bailout, it would be done in a day. They have made a bags of it. They really have. The optics are terrible. The Green party know they took a bullet here too.
blanch152 wrote: » How am I shutting others down? I don't go around reporting posts trying to shut people up. I don't deny you your right to an opinion. I do parse, analyse, criticise and debunk your opinion, but I won't deny you the right to hold the opinion.
blanch152 wrote: » Martin apologised for the Mother and Baby House wrongs. Still waiting on Gerry, Mary-Lou and Michelle to apologise for all the wrongs committed by the PIRA.
The Labour leader Alan Kelly said the Dáil should introduce legislation to secure assets from religious institutions if they do not contribute to the State's scheme for survivors of Mother and Baby Homes. He told the Dáil that he would draft the bill himself. Deputy Kelly repeated that it should take weeks rather than months to introduce legislation to assist survivors. He said the Government's end-of-year deadline should revised, adding that opposition parties would facilitate such a move. He said he supported a call from the Irish Council for Civil Liberties for a separate investigation to examine the "system of secret adoption and family separation to add to our knowledge about this shameful history". He described Catherine Corless as "a hero of this nation".
Bowie wrote: » What part of 'specifically mention the Garda and politicians' do you not comprehend? We all share a blame. Do you think the institutions should apologise or not? How do you feel about the whole thing? You've not commented other than to try shut others down IMO.
smurgen wrote: » It's like right now do we see rte inside the direct provision centers videoing condition. Sure we know it's bad but are the gritty details spread on six o clock news? If they were the calls to close it would get louder.
smurgen wrote: » Imagine the we all knew point holds no water. The extent of the abuse was not widely know. There's been cover up after cover up. If society knew what was happening the gritty details then tell me this. How come even now in Bessborough we don't know where the bodies are?
The Independent TD for Galway West, Catherine Connolly, has said she finds it "incomprehensible" how the Commission drew a conclusion that there was no evidence any woman was forced by the Church or State to enter a Mother and Baby Home. She said: "Either we believe the women or we don't. If we don't believe them, we are adding utter hurt to what they always feared - they wouldn't be believed." The deputy said: "The inconsistencies in this report are nothing short of shocking. The writing is unprofessional and amateurish in parts." The Galway West TD said she found the narrative in the report "repulsive."
Indep TD @catherinegalway said survivors of Mother and Baby Homes didn't get the Commission report before the public - as promised by the Govt. Instead they got access to a webinar, to be told the Govts view, & were then told they could download a 3,000 page report
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ah, you wish to add what was done in a war and conflict to the debate, what a surprise that turned out to be. A conflict/war that the speaker wasn't involved in...does that apply to what FF and FG did when they were at war and conflict too, can we put the sins of the father on current members heads too? By the way, just to keep you up to date, the ICVLR have said they believe the IRA have done all they can to help locate the remains of those killed in a conflict/war. Can FF FG say the same about their transparency and willingness to put right the wrongs of the past? I don't think SF are kneecapping anybody, have you a link to any info on this?
blanch152 wrote: » We, the people, are the State. Which bit of that is so hard to understand? The State isn't FF and FG politicians, no matter how many times you try to pretend it is. The State is all of us.
blanch152 wrote: » No, but there are probably ancestors of Gino who did facilitate the locking up of rape victims and selling their babies. Given the scale of the numbers involved, there isn't a family in Ireland who over the last 100 years didn't see it happening to a member of the family, or a friend or neighbour and who stayed silent and did nothing. We do all share the blame on this one.The using of victims for political purposes by Boyd-Barrett and the like over the last couple of days has been nothing short of disgusting.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Do you:D
Brendan Bendar wrote: » When are the bogs and the sandy sea shores being trawled for the bodies of the disappeared? When are those left crippled by ‘kneecapping’ getting redress. Any time soon......?
Bowie wrote: » Have they? 'We', 'the state'? We had a royal 'we' blamed. We need institutions to take accountability and apologise IMO. And what consequences are there? Up to very recently FF/FG enabled the church in covering up criminality. FF/FG still will not accept and apologise for that. That's what they need do. Also they should have follow through on promises and recommendations. I doubt they will and if that is the case that is on them there today.
Bowie wrote: » That's FF/FG thinking TBH. Just look at the worst in the world Covid situation...or housing or child homelessness. Did Gino's PBP facilitate the locking up of rape victims and selling their babies?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Depressing, FF and FG are gonna weasel out of this one too aren't they? Make all the right noises for the faithful and quietly tramp all over survivors and the graves of the dead, if they were lucky enough to get a grave.
Bishop of hope wrote: » They've been held accountable and all found guilty as charged.
SmokyMo wrote: » Imagine how immoral of a human you must be, to vote or even stand in a vicinity next to FF or FG after all this... Just on this alone. Never mind the ongoing multiple crises they caused. Same goes for catholic clergy.
Bowie wrote: » Did you read what you quoted? Accountability on behalf of the institutions involved.
Bishop of hope wrote: » You're after blood, good luck.
Bowie wrote: » I would not advocate for holding people responsible for what their parents or family may have done regarding this. We'd lose most of FF and FG. There is a collective responsibility but we need the institutions of the church, it's various orders, the Garda and political parties to openly take accountability and apologise. As regards 'scapegoats', I don't want MM blanket apologising for my family when he won't apologise for his own political party or the Garda.
Bishop of hope wrote: » No, but perhaps if you look back his mother and father and their wider families might have. Don't know his story really and like the rest it's a sad indictment of the times he lived in no more than the rest. There's a collective responsibility in all of this involving all our ancestors and some of us still. A lot of people are always happy to have scapegoats to hide what's in their own backyards.
