FrancieBrady wrote: » It's classic cynical governance. Leo wouldn't be the first to do it, but you are right, it is straight up his street to do it, too.
Floppybits wrote: » I see Varadkar has restored the whip to those Senators it was removed from for golfgate. Sneaky move to do it today when all the attention is on the Mother and Baby Homes report. Says everything about Varadkar.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Where’s Stanno these days? Still chair of that big committee, is he ?.Or did MaryLou request a step down. Any news on the black and white minstrels up in Belfast.....says everything, I say, says everything.
blanch152 wrote: » I don't shut down criticism of FG or Leo Varadkar. There are legitimate reasons to criticise this current government on Covid-19, including a failure to look at closing the border with Northern Ireland ala Foot and Mouth, and the failure to stand up to the teacher unions about keeping primary schools open for kids with special needs, for example.I don't see any of that legitimate criticism on here. I see posters parrotting stuff they see on Twitter and Facebook, I see other posters who have Leo haunting their dreams at night, I see refusals to contextualise the performance of the government by comparison to our nearest neighbours, I see people who think that reporting facts is PR spin, all of which is silliness and I will call it out each and every time. Drivel isn't criticism, I won't pretend that it is, I will just call it drivel. Get into real criticism of this government - failure to increase LPT, failure to bring back water charges, failure to move quicker on environmental retrofit, failure to reform planning to allow higher density, failure to address building standards that make us the most expensive place in the world to build etc - and I will support you. The most astonishing thing about the governmental finances over the last year is that income tax didn't go down despite the huge numbers of job losses, proving the point that it is high earners and high earners alone, who pay income tax and that low-to-middle income earners have the best income tax arrangement in Europe. That needs to change as everyone should pay some amount of income tax to show that the state is their responsibility as well. Again, I don't see you criticising that. I am happy to talk issues but when people post drivel like this they can't expect responses based on the issues: All of that is directed at other posters, hasn't a single mention of any issue, so why would anyone respond to you on an "issue" when all you post is stuff like that?
Bowie wrote: » The first is my estimation of the 55 emails. Part of a story, possibly genuine, of little consequence other than to help Varadkar's image.
Bowie wrote: » I'm paraphrasing; Michael Martin just said we are all complicit in the mother babies homes etc. Nice way to dodge government, FF/FG government, state support for institutions and criminality many if not most of the general public knew nothing about.
Floppybits wrote: » Unfortunately what he said is an ugly truth of this country and is something that we as a country need to face up to. Yes FF, FG and the state were up to their eyeballs in this but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't we face up to the fact that we allowed this to happen and not only allowed it to happen but still keep those parties in power.
Bowie wrote: » Agreed. Can you point to a FF or FG leader accepting their party's role? I can't. Smacks of 'We all partied', 'we all went mad'. No family I know sent a Garda, Doctor and Priest to forcibly remove a pregnant rape victim from her home, incarcerate her, physically and verbally abuse her and run vaccine trials on her after selling her baby, all nice and legal.
blanch152 wrote: » I think it was Tony Holohan (remember him, you know the guy you keep telling us to listen to) on television yesterday who blamed ordinary people shopping and socialising for the rise in cases. I suppose he is wrong now.
Bowie wrote: » I'm paraphrasing; Michael Martin just said we are all complicit in the mother babies homes etc. Nice way to dodge government, FF/FG government, state support for institutions and criminality many if not most of the general public knew nothing about. Be refreshing and honest if he spoke on behalf of Fianna Fail's involvement.
mattser wrote: » Mike Ryan from WHO, taking the same line as Tony Holohan. Awful men altogether, blaming the people. Don't they know the real experts in the field are right here on Boards. All day. Every day. Great service.
McMurphy wrote: » Scutter - Ryan said it was people socialising and shopping etc, something the govt were warned shouldn't happen, they could pick one or the other, not both, and obviously when govt cabinet ministers where wheeled out to give false impressions about safetyhttps://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1335889689786650625?s=09 - the end result can be seen by everyone.
Muahahaha wrote: » I heard that on the radio earlier and I couldnt believe my ears. Martin seems to think society at large is to blame and not FF-FG who handed the keys of the country over to the Catholic Church so they could kiss the bishops ring. These two parties really dont do personal responsibility for their actions and instead want to blame all of us. Its straight out of the 'we all partied' playbook.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Mike Ryan said it was opening up to increased gatherings and mixing...the government facilitated that. As said, you cannot tell people it is ok to increase their amount of interactions and then whine when they do. Had retail and hospitality been restricted the vast majority would have complied.
smurgen wrote: » I genuinely think that in light of the now record levels of covid in Ireland those senators should have been fired. It's items like the golf pissup that have leaf people to shrug off the dangers of covid. If our alleged betters and those writing the laws are flouting the rules well joe public was obviously not going to listen. A terrible terrible message to send out.
smurgen wrote: » Good old Fine Gael. Sounds like it could have been written by some of the party die hards just yesterday. The old personal responsibility line was a weapon back then as it is now. Same line of argument blaming the victim.https://twitter.com/electionlit/status/1349022800061878272?s=19
Bowie wrote: » Covid in hand, pat on the back. Worst in the world? personal responsibility. The state covering for and assisting the church and affiliates to imprison rape victims to lives of hard labour while selling on the babies weren't killed. Still covering today unwilling to apologise or take accountability. As stated, if everyone is to blame, nobody is to blame. However personally sincere, as I'm sure it will be, MM's apology will be an empathy joke. Thankfully Varadkar was hid in the Dail creche. We don't need his tuppence ha'penny of pretend empathy. No word from Eamo. Likely sleeping on it.
Bowie wrote: » The FG/FF led Cork county Council deciding whether or not to allow apartments be built were bodies are believed to be buried on the Bessborough grounds is a nice touch.
smurgen wrote: » Just remember Terry prone who helped manage the Tuam crisis message and lied on behalf of the nuns is regularly providing services to FG. Francis Fitzgerald paid her 55,000 eur over three years. Here's an email she sent on behalf of Bon Secours "If you come here, you’ll find no mass grave, no evidence that children were ever so buried, and a local police force casting their eyes to heaven and saying “Yeah, a few bones were found – but this was an area where Famine victims were buried. So?”https://www.thejournal.ie/terry-prone-email-tuam-babies-site-1721252-Oct2014/
