Bowie wrote: » As sad as the situation is it will be interesting to see how the FG lobby deal with not being able to point up north or to use a line from Varadkar, "its worse elsewhere"...cause it ain't.
blanch152 wrote: » Interesting, are you claiming that the numbers in hospitals and ICU in the North are lower than the South?https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55622553 736 in hospital in the North, equivalent to over 2,100 down here. Our numbers are bad, really bad (1,700 in hospital), but the situation in the North is terrifying, and their politicians don't have a clue what to do. We have seen the overflow into Letterkenny and the difficulties caused by the overspill from the sh!tstorm up North, very sad for the people up there.
grayzer75 wrote: » More deflection horse sh*t from FFG. 54,000 people came through Dublin airport without testing, tracking or tracing and were free to go about their business with restaurants and shops opened in the run up to Christmas. The government allowed mixing of multiple households up until the 28th of December. Not to mention the closure of some test centres over Christmas as well as some large gatherings. We are now seeing the results including the magic 9,000 legacy cases that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. The north was bad in December so they changed the plans over Christmas with household mixing restricted, non-essential shops closed, hospitality closed and the curfew kicked in on Christmas night at midnight for a week. As a result the infection numbers have decreased but the affect won't be seen in the hospitals for a number of weeks.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Not arguing your figures, but it wouldn't have mattered as if they couldn't have got in here they'd have been accommodated North of the border anyway and came in as happened in thousands of cases too. We apparently can't close that border.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/coming-home-for-christmas-joy-and-tears-at-belfast-city-airport-29863262.html I know, the link is old, but the capacity was there and was used
grayzer75 wrote: » So why did I have to go through a Covid checkpoint at the Carrickdale every morning and produce a letter from my employer to show I'm a frontline worker and then all of a sudden the checkpoint disappears a week before Christmas? Surely they knew people from the south would go through Belfast? Surely if they left the checkpoint they could have asked the nature of their journey, advised them to restrict their movements and take their contact details?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Why could we not impose a strict quarantine? Why could we not properly track and trace people? Why were people resident in NI not bound by the lockdown rules south of the border in the 1st lockdown and possibly subsequent ones? But but but the border excuse is wearing thin tbh - are we expected to believe Ireland is geographically unique in having the only border in the world with porous bits and houses/farms technically on both sides? Landlocked countries were able to control better than the Irish republic did. And as for 45,000 people flying into Belfast and driving down do me a favour. Do we really not have the ability to deal with that when we have literally shut down counties? And the border has feck all to do with people flying into Dublin, Cork, Shannon not being monitored during a mandated period of quarantine.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Beats me, I suggested closing it off and was nearly shot by replies of all the crossing points by your fellow travellers.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Absolutely pointless unless you impose the same restrictions on the northen Ireland border. They just go around Dublin etc. I know this for a fact, so does everyone with an iota of knowledge of the northern border. I'm watching it all my life and indeed used it many times myself for travel to the UK and home.
McMurphy wrote: » Closing the border isn't remotely possible, but closing the air and sea ports to all but essential workers, and essential travel north and south should have been examined. I don't believe our govt even discussed this as a potential UK/island of Ireland venture.
grayzer75 wrote: » Sure the North / South ministerial council should've met in the late summer to come up with an island wide approach so it's the same restrictions all over so there's no benefit hopping the border to avoid restrictions. The only time anybody should be travelling at the moment is for essential purposes.
Wesekn. wrote: » How much of a factor is returning emigrants and cross border travel here Is there any actual data available
Fri, Feb 23, 2001, 00:00 A major security operation continues today along the border and at ports to prevent the spread of foot-and-mouth disease into Ireland.
In February/March 2001 there was an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease in south Armagh, beside the-then not-just-as-hard border. It was part of a foot-and-mouth outbreak that had begun in Britain in February of the same year. Overnight a hard border, a hard economic border, descended - one that the Republic of Ireland brought down like an iron curtain over the not-just-so-hard border.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » I do suspect you already know the answers to your question was that there was no agreement from the DUP to do anything that would separate NI from GB on a policy perspective at the time almost a year ago or now. I think it's fair to say, as other posters have, that it's moot if people can travel in through the North... which they are.
markodaly wrote: » Just when you thought you couldn't any more Trumpian, you come out with this... You have zero proof that this 'lad' was paid. ZERO! Stop bull****ting people with your conspiracy-laden inane posts.
smurgen wrote: » You'd get 55 headbangers anywhere. Sure look at all the folk that complained about rte and the religious skit. The fact they had to mention support emails to a national newspaper and there was so little it was countable is mortifying.
blanch152 wrote: » I think it was Tony Holohan (remember him, you know the guy you keep telling us to listen to) on television yesterday who blamed ordinary people shopping and socialising for the rise in cases. I suppose he is wrong now.
Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » Mother and Baby Report finally published.https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/d4b3d-final-report-of-the-commission-of-investigation-into-mother-and-baby-homes/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/report/
Bowie wrote: » I hope the institutions and people who profited are named and shamed. I would love to see all the victims who wish to do so, get some form of airtime. Another FF/FG mealy mouthed apology isn't going to do much IMO. The victims must be recognised, apologised to and institutions held accountable. Monstrous state sanctioned criminality.
Bowie wrote: » Nobody tries to shut down criticism of FG/LV more than yourself. The covid rates were raised you pointed up north and to SF. The PR spin article was commented on, you've spent pages dismissing the claims. I think FG supporters have a voice. Some of us don't have a team and want to talk issues as they arise. Today it's covid numbers and a biased spin article. Personally I'm more interested in the issues.
It's the equivalent of man with two pints
You are showing with this comment the epitome of Trumpism. Faux outrage over an opinion you don't like.
I take it we'll see all the same sentiment shipped up north over the past several months visited on FF/FG/Greens by the same genuine concerned posters....
I find it troubling that you accused me of an online campaign against Roderic O'Gorman with zero evidence, refused to accept it never happened and are trying to pass comment on the perspective of others.
Floppybits wrote: » I see Varadkar has restored the whip to those Senators it was removed from for golfgate. Sneaky move to do it today when all the attention is on the Mother and Baby Homes report. Says everything about Varadkar.
blanch152 wrote: » Those in positions of responsibility such as Calleary, who knew from sitting around Cabinet about the new restrictions were right to resign, ditto Hogan for misleading the EU Commission President (and should have been joined by Michelle O'Neill and Mary-Lou for the Storey funeral) but the rest of them should not have any lasting sanction.
Floppybits wrote: » If it was all ok then why didn't he do it on another day instead of trying to bury it under the Mother and Baby homes report? It says everything about him that he would use an occasion such as release of the mother and baby homes report to do something like this. He is nothing but a coward.
