JimmyVik wrote: » Is this where people come in and say incentivize or tax the old people out of the houses they sunk their blood sweat and tears into
Hubertj wrote: » Type of housing. We discussed this before but I think the issue with older people is finding suitable housing to “downsize” to. In laws have spent a few years looking and yet to find something that ticks all boxes.
thefridge2006 wrote: » heard that on the radio myself. if you think about it, this global pandemic that has shut down the world for what will be over a year but has had no real affect on anything is down to Govs kicking the can down the road. This will come to a horrible end as there is no realistic way of continuing like this. When is the question....
schmittel wrote: » Sure we've discussed this before. From day 1 on here I have been arguing that our problem is not a physical shortage of housing stock but an inefficient use of the existing stock we have. Stats like this from EU simply confirm that belief. The solution is better found in addressing whatever issues are causing those inefficiencies than simply building 50k new units a year. For example, if one of the issues is older people downsizing, the rush to build 3 bed semis for young FTB families is not to going to solve the underlying problems.
schmittel wrote: Whilst we are an extreme outlier in terms of cost, the EU says we are good in terms of affordability - EU average people spend 20% of disposable income on housing costs whereas we spend 15.7%. This surprised me.
awec wrote: » There was a government scheme 2 or 3 years ago where they'd pay old people to downsize. I'm not sure if it ever got off the ground, or what the uptake was. I remember they did a lot of surveying of older people to see if there would be any interest.
Timing belt wrote: I am struggling to find underlying data for this..... What I did find was how we was this graph from the
Timing belt wrote: » If they have worked for the house and paid for it why should they move it is their home.....If someone in social housing is not moved out why the hell should someone that has worked hard all their life move.... Its like asking old people to stop driving at peak times to prevent traffic congestion.
Villa05 wrote: » Would property tax be included in in affordability calculations. Our property tax is miniscule compared to other countries and comes nowhere near covering the costs of the services required for those homes to exist I believe some one posted that the rent on a house in his estate was 2.5 times what the mortgage was on theirs. So housing is a poverty trap for low/middle income workers Social housing being sold at les than replacement value
schmittel wrote: » I've never suggested they should be forced out if they don't want to, and am very strongly against any of these sort of proposals. I do think priority should be given to addressing the needs of some of older people who do want to downsize. A very obvious one is bridging finance.
JimmyVik wrote: » Before we take the old peoples houses off them we should try something like EVERYONE pays the value of the house they live in. The government should only be paying for the lowest value houses. So if the govt is paying for you to live in an expensive house in an expensive area. Out you go to somewhere cheaper for the government to pay for and let someone else, who actually needs it, use that high value property. Same for the govt leasing, at very high prices, expensive properties in Dublin. WTF. Spend less money on more lower value properties.
awec wrote: » There was a government scheme 2 or 3 years ago where they'd pay old people to downsize. I'm not sure if it ever got off the ground, or what the uptake was. I remember they did a lot of surveying of older people to see if there would be any interest. I know a lot of old people view their house with sentiment, it's where the kids grew up, and even if it is massively oversized for their needs they'd have no interest in moving, particularly if the neighbours are at a similar stage of life and have got to know each other well.
JimmyVik wrote: » Remember old people are more comfortable in familiar surroundings. They cant just up sticks and move away from their friends and communities that they have spent a lifetime on. Its just not fair, apart from anything else.
Timing belt wrote: » Could not agree more with you on that point but unfortunately it will never happen with all our socialist parties/governments.
JimmyVik wrote: » If you want the services then I think the next move on property tax will have to be that residents, owners or renters pay tax to live in an area. And no exceptions. You dont not use the services just because you own the house. You want to live in Dublin 4, you pay more tax than if you live in Donegal.Like the council tax in the UK. Its per person regardless of whether they own the house or rent it.
fliball123 wrote: » Maybe something like offering a family member a tax credit for taking in their parents or parent and letting the parent sell their property and live out the rest of their days in comfort of familiar people who will look after them with a wad of cash in their pocket from the sale and the family member getting something from the government for looking after their parent and freeing up a house. We do need options the supply of housing is so poor presently
Wanderer78 wrote: » would be interested to know the outcome of this myself, i suspect very few moved, but of course i could be wrong
Wanderer78 wrote: » so our main government parties are such yea?
Wanderer78 wrote: » what if they want to remain in their own home, and would prefer their independents?
Timing belt wrote: » We have discussed this many a time... All the political parties in Ireland are socialist.
fliball123 wrote: » Well let them stay I am not saying to turf them out but as people get older it gets harder to remain ailment free . Ailments such as arthritis, diabetes and other health issues kick in and I know people can be belligerent with regards to wanting to stay independent but at some point it becomes dangerous for older people to be in by themselves and that is when the options such as the one I outlined could be an actual choice for them. Care for the elderly is all getting worse due to the fact that as a nation and actually globally we are living longer.
