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FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

They aren't responsible for anything and powerless...so when it was going well that was on the public too?
What do we need the government for so? Should we not pay them PUP and get on with it ourselves or maybe put accountable solid leadership in? What do you think?

The same people were on here singing Leo's praises for 'handling the pandemic' when his polling went through the roof.
Any criticism at that time was deflected by the same people saying the government were following NPHET advice and could do nothing else.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Of course bish, of course it's down to some people visiting beauty spots outside their 5km restriction zones, silly me of course it is.

I think the fly in your ointment though, might be the fact hundreds of thousands of folk likely visited these spots when Lockdown restrictions were eased or lifted completely and yet we weren't in the highest infected rates in the entire world.

Obviously, the fact we have recently become the country in the whole world less than two weeks after new year, and the govt ignoring the advice given to them by NPHET in the run up to Xmas is an unfortunate and entirely coincidental fluke.

Let Michaél and Leo stand on a platform during the next election campaign and try and sell that kind of pup to the electorate and see how they get on.

You lads are unreal.

That's just an example of it Mc.
What happened over the last few days is the tip of the iceberg re restrictions being broken.
It was wholesale and countrywide over the last few months.
Man up and take the political ****e hat off.
We are where we are because people have been looking around them and seeing that most people who get the virus get over it handy enough.
The really sick and dying are very low compared to the percentage that just get over it.
The fear of it that existed in the beginning is gone. That's the problem now.
Lockdowns will never be adhered to like the first one again.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No its not and that's despite the figures being in the thousands.
It's the truth.

Of course bish, of course it's down to some people visiting beauty spots outside their 5km restriction zones, silly me of course it is.

I think the fly in your ointment though, might be the fact hundreds of thousands of folk likely visited these spots when Lockdown restrictions were eased or lifted completely and yet we weren't in the highest infected rates in the entire world bracket then.

Obviously, the fact we have recently become the country in the whole world with the highest infection rate, less than two weeks after new year, and the govt ignoring the advice given to them by NPHET in the run up to Xmas is an unfortunate and entirely coincidental fluke.

Let Michaél and Leo stand on a platform during the next election campaign and try and sell that kind of pup to the electorate and see how they get on.

You lads are unreal.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No its not and that's despite the figures being in the thousands.
It's the truth.

They aren't responsible for anything and powerless...so when it was going well that was on the public too?
What do we need the government for so? Should we not pay them PUP and get on with it ourselves or maybe put accountable solid leadership in? What do you think?

[Deleted User]

McMurphy wrote: »

White noise, scutter and deflection.

Describes the content of your posts perfectly.

[Deleted User]

McMurphy wrote: »

White noise, scutter and deflection.

Have to laugh....a government that approves varadkar leading confidential info.....now has resorted to accusing others of lacking personal reaponsibility

Its hyprocrisy on a scale seen nowhere else in the western world

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

White noise, scutter and deflection.

No its not and that's despite the figures being in the thousands.
It's the truth.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep. Absolute cretins putting themselves and others at risk.

“ Gardaí have escalated their policing response after beauty spots across the country were packed over the weekend with visitors outside of their 5km limit.” https://www.independent.ie/news/gardai-can-now-hand-on-the-spot-fines-of-100-to-anyone-breaking-5km-travel-limit-who-refuse-to-turn-back-39956585.html
“ PEOPLE HAVE BEEN told to reconsider travelling to the Wicklow uplands partly due to the Covid-19 risk of a rescue situation.
A spokesperson for the Dublin and Wicklow Mountain Rescue team, Valerie Hayes, said social distancing is difficult during emergency rescues” https://www.thejournal.ie/wicklow-warning-do-not-travel-mountain-5321617-Jan2021/
“ Kerry Mountain Rescue is asking hill-goers to be considerate of the strain being put on emergency services at this time before attempting a climb.

They urge people to avoid "high mountain terrain such as the McGillycuddy’s Reeks, sticking to lowland paths and walkways while strictly observing social distancing principles and the 5km travel restrictions recently re-imposed by the Government." https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40201829.html

White noise, scutter and deflection.

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Headline in the Indo at 1900 on the 11/01/2020

Senior hurlers of FFG allowed for this headline to be created..

There's a shytstorm on the way due to these absolute cretins. Well done lads, well done.

Fuppin' Gino from PBP and all them Black Lives Matter people not taking personal responsibility...obviously :rolleyes:

I take it we'll see all the same sentiment shipped up north over the past several months visited on FF/FG/Greens by the same genuine concerned posters....

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But you and Francie and others are prepared to argue about a few emails that seem to be of the same opinion of Leo a couple of months ago.
There's something very troubling about some perspectives on here.

Nope. I commented on the article being no more than spin. Someone else is suggesting I'm pretending to hold that opinion, for reasons best known to themselves.

I find it troubling that you accused me of an online campaign against Roderic O'Gorman with zero evidence, refused to accept it never happened and are trying to pass comment on the perspective of others.

[Deleted User]

McMurphy wrote: »

Headline in the Indo at 1900 on the 11/01/2020

Senior hurlers of FFG allowed for this headline to be created..

There's a shytstorm on the way due to these absolute cretins. Well done lads, well done.

Yep. Absolute cretins putting themselves and others at risk.

“ Gardaí have escalated their policing response after beauty spots across the country were packed over the weekend with visitors outside of their 5km limit.” https://www.independent.ie/news/gardai-can-now-hand-on-the-spot-fines-of-100-to-anyone-breaking-5km-travel-limit-who-refuse-to-turn-back-39956585.html
“ PEOPLE HAVE BEEN told to reconsider travelling to the Wicklow uplands partly due to the Covid-19 risk of a rescue situation.
A spokesperson for the Dublin and Wicklow Mountain Rescue team, Valerie Hayes, said social distancing is difficult during emergency rescues” https://www.thejournal.ie/wicklow-warning-do-not-travel-mountain-5321617-Jan2021/
“ Kerry Mountain Rescue is asking hill-goers to be considerate of the strain being put on emergency services at this time before attempting a climb.

They urge people to avoid "high mountain terrain such as the McGillycuddy’s Reeks, sticking to lowland paths and walkways while strictly observing social distancing principles and the 5km travel restrictions recently re-imposed by the Government." https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40201829.html

[Deleted User]

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That's the impression the last few pages have been giving. Not singling you out Blaaz, but it's like disbelief that a few emails might have been sent in support of him.
Old I'll call it. Obsessive Leo Disorder.

Nah mate....people are complaining varadkar appeaseing his support base and causing us to highest infection rates in the world

Like call it whatever you want...peoples lives have been put at risk,by his out of control ego....is it true no extra assistance was given to homeless services during last cold.snap,how many emails did he get in support of this??

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wha??

That isnt close to what i said,and wasnt implied...i apoligise for giving impression on this to you

That's the impression the last few pages have been giving. Not singling you out Blaaz, but it's like disbelief that a few emails might have been sent in support of him.
Old I'll call it. Obsessive Leo Disorder.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Headline in the Indo at 1900 on the 11/01/2020

Senior hurlers of FFG allowed for this headline to be created..

There's a shytstorm on the way due to these absolute cretins. Well done lads, well done.

In the last few days I've messaged or talked to 22 people with covid in my family and friend circle, every one of them without exception admits they broke the rules at some stage just before or during Xmas.
Keep the foghorn blowing.

Bannasidhe

Have the last few pages seriously been spent discussing the fact that the grand total of 55 people emailed LV after he had criticised NPHET to say he had done the right thing?

55 people?

A fraction of the number of people who have died with CV19 and this is what people are wasting time on? On the day it was announced Ireland tops the transmission charts?

Seriously?

I have to say - LV has once again managed to make all it about him and spin discussion away from what actually matters ... i.e. not him.

I found a phone yesterday. Posted it on my own FB page. Got over 150 shares and just under a 1000 likes - should I contact journalists?

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mean like the emails were the focus of . an article in todays paper

Like if this isnt current affairs,in light if what has happened since,what is??

:D

So you think Leo has no supporters?

McMurphy

Headline in the Indo at 1900 on the 11/01/2020

Senior hurlers of FFG allowed for this headline to be created..

There's a shytstorm on the way due to these absolute cretins. Well done lads, well done.

[Deleted User]

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But you and Francie and others are prepared to argue about a few emails that seem to be of the same opinion of Leo a couple of months ago.
There's something very troubling about some perspectives on here.

I mean like the emails were the focus of . an article in todays paper

Like if this isnt current affairs,in light if what has happened since,what is??

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

Nobody tries to shut down criticism of FG/LV more than yourself. The covid rates were raised you pointed up north and to SF. The PR spin article was commented on, you've spent pages dismissing the claims.

I think FG supporters have a voice. Some of us don't have a team and want to talk issues as they arise. Today it's covid numbers and a biased spin article. Personally I'm more interested in the issues.

But you and Francie and others are prepared to argue about a few emails that seem to be of the same opinion of Leo a couple of months ago.
There's something very troubling about some perspectives on here.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

So what if half of the 55 supporting him were FG supporters?

There were 68 emails on the subject, according to the last Irish Times poll, FG had 35% support, meaning that 24 of the emails would be supportive from FG supporters - not far off the 27 you complain about!!!

Are FG supporters not allowed to have a voice?

It seems that some are trying to create an echo chamber in here, only criticism of Leo is allowed.

Nobody tries to shut down criticism of FG/LV more than yourself. The covid rates were raised you pointed up north and to SF. The PR spin article was commented on, you've spent pages dismissing the claims.

I think FG supporters have a voice. Some of us don't have a team and want to talk issues as they arise. Today it's covid numbers and a biased spin article. Personally I'm more interested in the issues.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You have denied every criticism of Leo since the thread has started blanch and of FG's role in government.

FG are indeed allowed a voice but that still doesn't provide us with any clarity on where these emails came from and from whom. This politician has no problems pulling the wool over people's eyes if it is for party.

Leo has several email addresses, the ones praising him were all his, the rest were two shinners with several email addresses I'm reliably informed.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

So what if half of the 55 supporting him were FG supporters?

There were 68 emails on the subject, according to the last Irish Times poll, FG had 35% support, meaning that 24 of the emails would be supportive from FG supporters - not far off the 27 you complain about!!!

Are FG supporters not allowed to have a voice?

It seems that some are trying to create an echo chamber in here, only criticism of Leo is allowed.

You have denied every criticism of Leo since the thread has started blanch and of FG's role in government.

FG are indeed allowed a voice but that still doesn't provide us with any clarity on where these emails came from and from whom. This politician has no problems pulling the wool over people's eyes if it is for party.

[Deleted User]

blanch152 wrote: »

Who said he was appeasing 55 random e-mailers??!!??

They came in AFTER his statement, not before.

Mate your talking up the right of FG supporters to email varadkar praising him for attacking nphet....as is your right

Just i dont think appeasing those who oppose nphet was worth it,given the size of diaster facing us over next 3 to 5 weeks......if we dont get under 2K cases a day by friday
,its likely our health service will.max out by 1st of feb......(the UK varient is projected to be main driver by then and cases likely rocket iirc)

it really really wasnt worth it....imo

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont thinķ appeasing 55 random e-mailers were worth causing ireland to have worst infection rates in the world

Who said he was appeasing 55 random e-mailers??!!??

They came in AFTER his statement, not before.

[Deleted User]

blanch152 wrote: »

So what if half of the 55 supporting him were FG supporters?

There were 68 emails on the subject, according to the last Irish Times poll, FG had 35% support, meaning that 24 of the emails would be supportive from FG supporters - not far off the 27 you complain about!!!

Are FG supporters not allowed to have a voice?

It seems that some are trying to create an echo chamber in here, only criticism of Leo is allowed.

I dont thinķ appeasing 55 random e-mailers were worth causing ireland to have worst infection rates in the world

blanch152

the butcher wrote: »

You speak about facts but in reality we cannot confirm the authenticity of the email addresses, how many can we link to real genuine people?

Are half of them FG supporters? I'd like to see the factual breakdown of that.

So what if half of the 55 supporting him were FG supporters?

There were 68 emails on the subject, according to the last Irish Times poll, FG had 35% support, meaning that 24 of the emails would be supportive from FG supporters - not far off the 27 you complain about!!!

Are FG supporters not allowed to have a voice?

It seems that some are trying to create an echo chamber in here, only criticism of Leo is allowed.

the butcher

blanch152 wrote: »

Except it wasn't.

It was a journalist making a factual FOI request and reporting factually on what he discovered.

You see it as spin because it runs against your biased worldview, nothing more, nothing less.

You speak about facts but in reality we cannot confirm the authenticity of the email addresses, how many can we link to real genuine people?

Are half of them FG supporters? I'd like to see the factual breakdown of that.

[Deleted User]

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Posters here conveniently forgetting NHPET were gonna allow household meet ups at the start of December but the government delayed it for weeks.

People also forget nhpet proposed allowing household visits or socialising.....but ffg decided to allow both and now we have the highest infection rates in the world

At least they made us world leaders in something

James Brown

FF/FG/Greens have repeatedly ignored or cherry picked advice from NPHET. We'd Varadkar taking a hissy fit over their recommendations being leaked. Varadkar :rolleyes:
Now we've high numbers and it's public responsibility? It plays a major role no question however accountability for giving direction and ignoring advice sits with FF/FG/Greens.
It reminds me of the last crash. Government made a balls of laxxed regulation and special deals/loans and 'we all partied' or 'went mad' depending on which civil war party you listened to. These chancers need to lead and own their decisions.

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

...and factually spinning PR for Varadkar/FG.

It's an article showing people agreed with Varadkar taking a strop with NPHET during a pandemic. Nobody denies he took a strop. Only 55 people allegedly disagree, that we know of, yet this is considered a worthy news item?
It's spin because it puts Varadkar's foolishness and childishness in a better light. Any article doing such can only be read as spin.

Could be all from his own FG branch for all we know, or from anonymous accounts.