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The lodge closed it's doors on Monday. I was in there on Sunday, it was great craic. Pity, I have to go a bit further now for a few pints.

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coffeepls

ncoen wrote: »

Wow pretty grim reading for someone who just bought in the Monread side of Naas... is it really all that bad? pollution, traffic and anti social behaviour.

I walk through Monread nearly every day. I don’t know what they’re talking about. I wish I’d a house in monread! It always seems like a lovely area to me. That’s my opinion from what I can see anyway. Congratulations on your purchase.

ncoen

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

So is it steam or smoke being emitted from these industrial chimneys? Has this always been the case? Either way, you say this isnt the issue with air quality, its the homes not the businesses.

ncoen

scwazrh wrote: »

Monread area of Naas has had very bad air for a good few years now though , it’s not new.Between the dog food and other food factory’s smell during warm weather , the kerdiffstown dump smell was there for a couple of years as well and once the cold weather hits every second house is burning fossil fuels and stinking up the area.
That side of Naas is overdeveloped and air pollution , traffic problems , anti social behaviour is all to be expected.

Wow pretty grim reading for someone who just bought in the Monread side of Naas... is it really all that bad? pollution, traffic and anti social behaviour.

[Deleted User]

It's turf.
Look in the gardens around there and you'll see a pile of it under a tarp.

peter_dublin

I think it's simplier than that. There is someone in the Monread Heights area who is burning absolute filth in their chimney and has been for a long time, either they're heading out to buy smokey coal, burning wet wood or just general rubbish it's always from the area around Monread Heights/ Ashgrove where it is worse.

2lazytogetup

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Good point. I hear more pollution from car tyres and car brakes than from exhaust. But isn't that just newer cars.

2lazytogetup

Tomrota wrote: »

My lungs were physically hurting after such dense pollution on the sallins road/monread heights area during my walk. It’s usually really bad but never that bad. It was mostly coming from houses but the high level of diesel emissions on that road is a disgrace. And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

Well said.

I'd say air pollution will be on government's main agenda after this covid thing. I can't remember it being this bad 20 years ago.

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Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Tomrota wrote: »

That doesn’t change the disgusting levels of pollution in the area compared to Bray or Citywest.

I'm not trying to change the levels of pollution, that's beyond my control. I was merely explaining that it's little to do with vehicular emissions.

scwazrh

Monread area of Naas has had very bad air for a good few years now though , it’s not new.Between the dog food and other food factory’s smell during warm weather , the kerdiffstown dump smell was there for a couple of years as well and once the cold weather hits every second house is burning fossil fuels and stinking up the area.
That side of Naas is overdeveloped and air pollution , traffic problems , anti social behaviour is all to be expected.

Valhallapt

Tomrota wrote: »

And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

Naas is a disaster zone for car reliance, multiple causes, and you'll find differing views on how to resolve it here.

I think the problem is Naas is caught between two stools, for many its the county town and they work, shop, socialise and live in Naas, for many others it is a commuter zone, they work shop and socialise in Dublin so they just sleep in Naas. Naas has terrible local transport services. Naas has terrible commuter transport services. Layer on top of this some profoundly bad planning decisions.

Tomrota

Augeo wrote: »

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

That doesn’t change the disgusting levels of pollution in the area compared to Bray or Citywest.

[Deleted User]

Since Euro5 emissions standards were introduced in 2010 ish diesel particulate filters have been more or less mandatory. The issue some folk noticed over the last few days is no doubt a combination of increased numbers of solid fuel burning in households and the weather. DPFs capture 99% of particulate matter and most folk don't get them bodged/removed/etc etc.

Tomrota

Darc19 wrote: »

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

My lungs were physically hurting after such dense pollution on the sallins road/monread heights area during my walk. It’s usually really bad but never that bad. It was mostly coming from houses but the high level of diesel emissions on that road is a disgrace. And not a bus in sight. This town is far too car reliant.

[Deleted User]

ncoen wrote: »

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

Wood burring is indeed considered carbon neutral, once the fuel is from a sustainable supply.
That doesn't at all mean it's not adversely impacting peoples health.

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

Surely that's not the case. Any industrial facility with a boiler isn't pumping out steam, they generate it on demand. Likely the gas or oil burning emissions are what is being referred to

Could be from cooling towers too of course.

GavMan

ncoen wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good window and door crowd? Looking to get uPVC windows and french doors installed in property we just moved into. Anyone you've used personally or that a friend has.

Coldest time of year and the windows here are a tad draughty. Could do with updating.

2nd to a previous posted for Emerald Windows in Caragh. Be advised though, whoever you go with you are in for about a 4 month wait for installation. Manufacturing is really badly hit with Covid

vincenzolorenzo

2lazytogetup wrote: »

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

Burning wood is as close to carbon neutral as you can get but burning any kind of solid fuel puts out significantly more other harmful pollutants such as NOx, Carbon Monoxide, Particulate Matter than either oil or gas. So better from climate change point of view, significantly worse from public health

2lazytogetup

Darc19 wrote: »

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

the research is there online if you want to read. in the last couple of months a person was found to have died from air pollution in Lewisham, London. And that was a direct cause. What about the indirect causes, dementia, heart disease. And im talking reputable sources on the internet, not conspiracy ones like the anti-vaxers do.

If you walk around Naas (try and keep this on topic to Naas) and can feel the heavy smoke in the air, you need to use common sense and think this cant be good for me. And im not the only person noticing it, a few people posted recent posts about it. hence the reason for this discussion.

Your use of bad language is getting very inappropriate, and i wonder why you feel so passionately about this???

im free to give some advice. if i tell a mate not to smoke a cigarette as its bad for their health, i wouldnt expect them to curse me and say that i shouldnt give advice as im not a doctor. Or if they are thinking of putting money into a ponzi scheme, and i advise them not to, they shouldnt curse me and say im not a financial advisor.

Darc19

2lazytogetup wrote: »

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

But what is your expertise that allows you to tell people not to go out.

Scaremongering bs is used by people who know feck all.

I much prefer to believe verified scientific information than some scaremongering person online.

2lazytogetup

Darc19 wrote: »

Unless you have expertise in the area, it's best not to make medical suggestions. Maybe an opinion, but to say people "need" to stay indoors is over the top.

Most fires will be burning "low smoke" fuels. They still give off smoke, but not nearly as harmful as smoky coal.

That argument is used by pro fossil fuel lobby groups. They discredit anyone speaking up on the basis that they have no expertise or authority to criticise.

ncoen

Kaizer Sosa wrote: »

My understanding (and I'm open to correction) is that wood fires are quite bad in terms of contributing to air quality pollution?

Ah poop! I'll do some more research before we take the plunge so. Cheers.

Kaizer Sosa

ncoen wrote: »

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

My understanding (and I'm open to correction) is that wood fires are quite bad in terms of contributing to air quality pollution?

ncoen

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

Ah ok! Cheers Bogwoppit (some name) ;-)

We're actually planning on replacing our open fireplace with a wood burning stove which I believe are virtually carbon neutral. Nice to put the fire on, but even nice to not impact others health.

Bogwoppit

ncoen wrote: »

I'm new to Naas, but there seems to be a lot of chimneys from the industrial sites coughing up fumes in the evenings... is that the norm? Seems health hazardous.

Pretty much all of them just pump out steam.

ncoen

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Yeah it's atrocious. Every second house has a fire burning. I suggest not walking outside after 3pm. The air is quite bad for your health.

Doesn't seem to be any stigma about burning logs and sending fumes to walkers outside.

I'm new to Naas, but there seems to be a lot of chimneys from the industrial sites coughing up fumes in the evenings... is that the norm? Seems health hazardous.

ncoen

Eli1 wrote: »

Highly recommend Emerald in Caragh. we have used them many times for all our windows and doors, also my parents and aunt

Cheers Eli1, will touch base with them too. ;-)

ncoen

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Lakeside are local enough give them a call anyway and they’ll look after you

Thanks Ash, sent them off an email and will follow up with a call.

anewme

Another recommendation for K Windows. Got whole house replaced - previously Munster. Very happy with the quality of work and service and price.Have recommended to others and they very happy too.

Darc19

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Until government does something about, Id recommend an n95 mask. And kids and old people need to stay indoors as they are very vulnerable to this polluted air.

Unless you have expertise in the area, it's best not to make medical suggestions. Maybe an opinion, but to say people "need" to stay indoors is over the top.

Most fires will be burning "low smoke" fuels. They still give off smoke, but not nearly as harmful as smoky coal.

2lazytogetup

Darc19 wrote: »

Combination of very still air and house fires as everyone at home and wants "atmosphere"

A bit of a breeze will clear it

Until government does something about, Id recommend an n95 mask. And kids and old people need to stay indoors as they are very vulnerable to this polluted air.

Darc19

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Yeah it's atrocious. Every second house has a fire burning. I suggest not walking outside after 3pm. The air is quite bad for your health.

Doesn't seem to be any stigma about burning logs and sending fumes to walkers outside.

Combination of very still air and house fires as everyone at home and wants "atmosphere"

A bit of a breeze will clear it