Bishop of hope wrote: » Nice to see SF take their briefs so sincerely. If this was in tended as a funny it failed on me, I can just imagine if it were govt or FG video the snide remarks and comments about it. They don't give a fcuk do they?https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/451286275870365/
Brendan Bendar wrote: » The Brenner knows what’s goin’ on Randall. Sharp as a Zulu spear on these things. You could do a lot worse than study his posts carefully. Maybe slip a bit of coin for a punt on the Bears of Chi-town to get past the Saints today.
tikkahunter wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40204256.html Border on the North as well maybe to stop them coming down without a second negative
McMurphy wrote: » Ireland as an island tikka, Ireland as an island. There needs to be an all island approach. Your way is a very partitionist way of thinking tbh.
blanch152 wrote: » The only party that can deliver an all-Ireland approach is Sinn Fein. If they can use their powers of persuasion on the DUP to adopt one, then all is fine. If they can't, the failure is on them. You know and I know that an all-island approach was never on. It wouldn't work from an economic or a political perspective. If the UK were persuaded of taking a similar approach to New Zealand, we could have been the second island to join them and take a British Isles approach. That would have preserved our economy, but it was never a political runner because of Brexit, Sinn Fein and the stupidity of Johnson. The idea that this island can survive in isolation was a failed De Valera policy of the 1930s. It didn't work then, it won't work now, pipe dreams of silly republicans.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It was never going to work because FG FF are petrified to challenge the DUP, lest they be seen support SF. Simple as.
smurgen wrote: » Isolation for a shorted period of time not indefinitely. What dribble.
blanch152 wrote: » A shorted period of time? What does that mean? Drivel?
blanch152 wrote: » That is just nonsense. They have no locus standi to challenge the DUP. Now, Sinn Fein have the locus standi to challenge the DUP in the North and the Tories in Westminister to ensure a British Isles approach, but they choose not to use it. As always, sitting on the ditch, whinging and complaining, that is all they are good for. If they ever got into government, they would freeze.
RandomViewer wrote: » All we had to do was lock the place down North and South for 4 weeks, then quarantine every arrival for ten days , when you start but,but deliveries ,driver doesn't have to come with the truck, can easily be sanitised and collected
blanch152 wrote: » Even for New Zealand, it took a lot longer than four weeks, and they are in a position to quarantine every arrival for ten days because their economy is more self-contained and self-sufficient than ours. We have one of the most open economies in the world, the busiest air link (to London) in the world, closing the island would have not been possible or sustainable. Those who are pushing it - like Mary-Lou - are only displaying their ignorance of economic and social realities. Our links with the UK are too great to allow us to isolate ourselves from them. We wouldn't just be imposing the worst form of Brexit on ourselves but going even further than that.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That's the DUP argument...we closed the link to the UK by air blanch. But 54,000 still go through, countless more through Belfast, apparently unhindered. Figures through the roof an hospitals close to being overwhelmed.
blanch152 wrote: » We closed the link for all but essential travel. That is the amount of essential travel related to business, trade, etc. It proves the point I am making, our economy is too entwined with the British one to allow for a cut-off like you propose. Essentially, that is why we have opposed Brexit for the last few years!!! And you and Mary-Lou want to impose worse than the worst kind of Brexit on the economy!!!
FrancieBrady wrote: » And that is what was asked for in the north. Only essential travel...people challenged on their reasons for travel etc. That you have ramped this up to be something it wasn't intended to be is typical dis ingenuousness. Pivot to lies about what is being said so you can rattle the sweeping brush under the bed where your boogeymen and women reside.
blanch152 wrote: » Don't understand a word of what you are posting. In the North, it is a different situation, because they are internal borders, not external ones.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nobody, either here or in the north was talking about economically isolating the island blanch.
blanch152 wrote: » Well, this is the poster I was responding to, who was proposing exactly that.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Which is actually saying that provision for trade (which would not be a economic isolation by definition) could be made. Try again.
blanch152 wrote: » You are missing the point. The amount of trade, commercial and business travel between Ireland and the UK is such that exempted travel would be large enough to constitute a major problem.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We have a 'major problem' to solve. We issued the directive to stop people coming in and as usual did nothing to enforce it. 54,000 people alone transited through Dublin airport and many many through Belfast into the south without any effective action from those responsible. Our case numbers are running at 5-6000 and our hospitals are overflowing.
blanch152 wrote: » 54,000 people signifies the level of essential travel in the common travel area. That number is impossible to police, and impossible to reduce, hence the need to look at an alternative solution. This isn't 1930s DeValera's Ireland where only a handful of contacts with the UK were needed.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Can you link to evidence that shows they were all essential travelers. 1500 is the number on re-patriation journeys.
grayzer75 wrote: » I know of one couple who flew Easyjet to Belfast after their Aer Lingus Dublin flight got cancelled and they're from Malahide but wanted to come home from London for Christmas - not essential travel at all. They even got the bus up from Belfast to Dublin. A pair of idiots tbh but I'm sure there's plenty more like them.
