tritium wrote: » Again, you claimed a certain allocation of games development funding. It’s now apparent that you can’t actually account for the majority of said games development funding. unless you can show that your argument is baseless and you don’t actually know the true answer
Enquiring wrote: » You made the claim that all Leinster counties apart from Dublin receive games development funding from the Leinster council. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to back that up! I've provided GAA annual accounts along with Dublin GAA accounts which show a huge disparity in funding. If you can provide some proof of your claims, will you kindly post it here? This is evidence for example: The Dublin county board chief executive, John Costello stated that Dublin spent 3.6 million on games development funding in 2018. That's from the horses mouth. 3.6 million!!!
tritium wrote: » You’re the one making the claims, the onus is on you to explain the vast sums of money I’ve demonstrated are missing from your “evidence”. The onus is on you to show that that’s been allocated unfairly since you’re the one making the allegation. Right now all you have is a (very)selective subset of a much larger figure that is split in one way, it demonstrates nothing about total funding allocations which I’ve shown are significantly larger. If you can prove that the rest of the millions are distributed in an unbalanced way you might be in a position to start a conversation again, however at this point you basically have nothing, and it’s not up to me to fix that for you
Enquiring wrote: » So no proof of your claim that every county except Dublin receive games development money from the Leinster council? I'm not surprised. Dublin remain as part of Leinster even though they demanded to be treated like a province. They get funding from the Leinster council just like every other county. Just as you were looking for a more complete picture, the figures for Dublin on the GAA's accounts don't match what they actually spend on games development. On the Strategic Review Committee heading on the Dublin county board accounts, Dublin had an income of 2.5 million in 2015 and 2.7 million in 2016. While the GAA accounts state they received 1.4 million for both years.
tritium wrote: » Is it being split equally? Show me the details for that would you, what’s the allocation You’re the one making the allegations so the onus is on you to explain how the money is spent unfairly. So far you’re kind of floundering in afraid. Here, I’ll help you out with this from the Leinster council 2014 financial statements: €1.8m on games promotion officers, another 335k for games development officers and provincial officers- it actually has the dublin coaching project broken out separately and all- 241k
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Well if there's say another €1.2M being split 12 ways equally, then obviously Dublin's lead stays the same. But the differential would now be hugely changed - if in your previous chart Dublin were receiving 20x another county, the new figures would see it reduced to 9x. So it would be great to see the Nett figures after the provincial amount has been allocated.
Enquiring wrote: » We can split the money each provincial council gets equally amongst all counties if you want? That will leave us in the same position, just with higher totals. Unless you have some proof that Dublin don't receive funding from the Leinster council? Care to provide us with this proof?
tritium wrote: » Oh so your figures don’t tell the full story. That’s quite an admission for you since it means the figures you posted are misleading at best. Let’s look at the personnel deployment heading I quoted. The non dublin element is bigger than the total non dublin county allocation you provided. How is that broken down by county?
Enquiring wrote: » Games development money goes to the provincial council's also. Are you still trying to claim that Dublin are not on the Leinster council and don't receive money from the Leinster council? The money is just for other counties in Leinster? If so, you're going to have to back that up with some evidence.
tritium wrote: » My numbers are also freely available, from a report by the GAA for the Irish sport council. Do You dispute the GAAs figures? I’m confused because there seems to be far more games development money than you’re have in your figures. Where is the rest of the money in your figures? For example is this additional money also available to the counties through non County allocations, possibly some of it provincially for example?
Enquiring wrote: » The numbers are from the GAA annual accounts. They are freely available. What are you confused about? I've quoted what each county received for games development in 2014, 2013, 2012 and 2011 in the post you quoted. Do you dispute the GAA's figures or what's the issue?
kona wrote: » I would say the reason the dublin hurlers have not won a all ireland isnt down to skill, they are as talented a bunch as anybody bar maybe the top 3. They havnt won a all ireland and will not until they are mentally prepared for it. I dont think they have the right mentality to beat say a limerick if it was do or die last 10 minutes of a final. They also have the senior footballers, alot of the talent are dual players eg. Connolly, kilkenny, con. As ferociously competitive as the senior panel is, thats currently the best way your going to win a all ireland as a dub.
tritium wrote: » I’m confused Your figures total a smidgeon over €2.8 million When I look at the gaas 2014 games development report for the Irish sports council there’s about €9.5 million total development spend. Within that I can see roughly the right Figure for dublin broken out under dublin games development (1.43m- I’m assuming this corresponds to your dublin figures though obviously certainty Is difficult given you’ve just dumped a list of numbers down. A full breakdown of games development numbers from your source material would be useful here). That goes into two headings - deployment of personnel and projects Excluding this there’s other deployment of personnel of nearly 3 million for example, county projects including talent academies of 1.2 million under the games development heading. Care to explain where the rest of that money is in your figures, and to where its allocated
Enquiring wrote: » This time, we have the Games Development funding for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014! Again, you can clearly see the disparity in funding and never forget that you have to double Dublin's figure on these tables as that's what they were really spending on coaches throughout these years.
thesultan wrote: » It is lack of skill. All solo and hand pass
ooter wrote: » Straight from the horse's mouth earlier, lack of skill is not an issue with hurling in dublin, so why no senior all ireland?
ArielAtom wrote: » No one here has ever disputed the figure between 07 and 17 as these were the Dublin project years. They have been seen by the world and his wife, if a county board I Ireland has not seen them, they are not doing their job.
tikkahunter wrote: » Would you not present these figures to your county board?
Enquiring wrote: » Operation Facts is back!! And back with a bang! This time, we have the Games Development funding for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014! A bumper episode here. Again, you can clearly see the disparity in funding and never forget that you have to double Dublin's figure on these tables as that's what they were really spending on coaches throughout these years.
dobman88 wrote: » Hes not in with Kerry anymore afaik. Are Sheehan and Cadogan still going?
JeffKenna wrote: » David Moran (Kerry 2014) Paul Murphy (Kerry 2014) Peter Crowley (Kerry 2014) Stephen O'Brien (Kerry 2014) Jack Sherwood (Kerry 2014) Paul Geaney (Kerry 2014) James O'Donoghue (Kerry 2014) Pa Kilkenny (Kerry 2014) Michael Murphy (Donegal 2012) Neil McGee (Donegal 2012) Paddy McGrath (Donegal 2012) Paddy McBrearty (Donegal 2012) Eoin Cadogan (Cork 2010) Ciarán Sheehan (Cork 2010) Tommy Walsh (Kerry 2009) I must admit, I never really heard of Pa Kilkenny before?
Strumms wrote: » People wouldn’t care if Dublin were given 45 million a year... if they were getting no further then a semi or quarter nobody cares.... all people or some unsporting people want is anyone to end to Dublin’s dominance on the pitch... to do that they want to nobble them off it firstly.... they’ve been going on about... -splitting ( didn’t work ) -home advantage ( untrue ) Now... -disproportionate funding ( untrue ) Running out of ideas... Next... - ban Dublin players from eating breakfast on the morning of a game. - no buses, only car pooling to get to croker. - player x got a discount on an exercise bike for home from xx shop ( call the Gardai ) Desperate strokes for wound up folks... I can see the psychology industry getting a lot more work...nice one lads.
kona wrote: » I cant understand other counties problems with funding and money, 10 years ago it was ok for Kerry and tyrone to fundraise and bring into their setups more professional roles like analysis roles etc. Once dublin decided to do this and obviously done it much better due to their obvious advantages as the biggest county in Ireland its a problem? You reap what you sow as far as im concerned. Lets not forget what Tyrone and Kerry did to dublin in the late 00s. They were delighted with their setups, didnt give a **** about dublin when they were 15 points up after 20mins then.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well nobody else is arguing that funding isnt the be all and end all. The rest freely admit it is a huge factor and they need it. You and your countymen are the ones arguing that it isnt that important. So by all means, hand it back. Strange how it was important enough for dublin to go looking for a special case for a large cash injection a few years back. Amazing how peoples views seem to change depending on what suits them. Re your point that dublin clubs, and dublin itself are better because they are well run, and they should not be punished. What do you mean by punished then? Can you explain in full exactly what you are referencing there? Because it seems like you are saying they shouldnt be punished because others cant match them. By all means take the opportunity to clear that up
