retalivity wrote: » The second line of that letter from Pelosi annoys me - even the dems have to pander to the god-fearers, ahead of outlining any action or whats going on.
Quin_Dub wrote: » The way it works is that the 25th is declared and Trump is immediately gone and Pence takes over. Pence then has 4 days to officially inform the House/Senate of the actions. Once that happens , Trump can then lodge a counter claim to the House looking for it to be overturned. However , the House then has 21 days to respond to that request from Trump. So in effect if Pence calls it, Trump is gone. He might (unlikely) get it overturned after the fact but in terms of the next 10 days or so he'd no longer be President , which blocks his pardon ability among other things. And in yet another example of "reading the room" and focusing on the important stuff , Trump will give Jim Jordan and Bill Belichick the Presidential Medal of Freedom this week.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » What would happen if Pence said he only needed majority of confirmed cabinet and Trump said Pence needed majority of actual cabinet. Supreme court would have to make a decision. Assuming it takes them time to make a decision would we have acting president Pence in the interim or would Ttump be president while deciding the issue.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » What would happen if Pence said he only needed majority of confirmed cabinet and Trump said Pence needed majority of actual cabinet. Supreme court would have to make a decision. Assuming it takes them time to make a decision would we have acting president Pence in the interim or would Trump be president while deciding the issue.
duploelabs wrote: » There's only 4 actual cabinet members serving currently. Pence, Mnuchin, Carson, and someone else ( i can't remember who). It's been argued that Pence needs to only get a majority of these members
robinph wrote: » Would that potentially just mean that Pence is the entirety of the cabinet, so would just need him for a unanimous decision to be made?
aloyisious wrote: » Speculation was alive last night on CNN about Trump firing all the Admin Dept Secretaries so there would be no cabinet for Pence to call together to bring amendment 25 into use.
For Forks Sake wrote: » Pelosi isn't taking the day off.
Scuid Mhór wrote: » Looks like Pelosi is going to try and get Trump impeached if Pence doesn’t go along with the Twebty-Fifth. Could be a tumultuous first few days for Biden.
Overheal wrote: » 195 co-sponsors of the articles of impeachment according to Ted Lieu. They’re only 22 short of having enough co-sponsors to pass it practically by default.
Akrasia wrote: » Wouldn’t that make the debating chamber redundant? Votes passing in congress without any debate would not be good for oversight or democracy.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Trump ran being a consummate hypocrite, he was one of the most popular GOP candidates ever, he swept the field. He can spout "law and order" in the same sentence he incites a mob and many Republican voters don't see the contradiction. The 6th of Jan was one of the most shameful events in US history, yet over 60% of Republicans think he did nothing wrong. Any GOP senator who votes to impeach will be remembered as a traitor by a majority of Republican voters, now and in 10 years, how many are going to take that risk?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Maybe it already exists but that could be a nice future tactic. Don't abolish the filibuster but introduce a rule that if there are enough co-sponsors (over 50%) then it passes without a vote.
kowloon wrote: » If Trump hadn't won in 2016 how much of the current climate would still exist? It's all bubbling under the surface, and it won't disappear in ten days. Trump seems to have been the lightning rod for it, but how much of the discontent did he actually create? People will be writing essays on the role of Trump in all of this someday with a little more hindsight. Being in the moment is a little weird.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Apparently impeachment is still being pushedhttps://twitter.com/funder/status/1347990414817681408?s=19
Gbear wrote: » It's not going to disappear overnight, and I think it's highly likely that multiple terrorist attacks are imminent (successful or otherwise), but by the time the 2022 mid-terms and the 2024 presidential race roll around, if Trump has been excised from policits and mostly from the public sphere, I think it's fairly unlikely that they'll be able to find someone else to recapture his routine of being too ignorant to know to hide his authoritarianism, racism and misogyny, coupled with the name ID and whatever else you could attribute his failures to. I believe there was an FBI report about widespread infiltration of the far right in police forces across the US. Some people seem to be paying attention to this. It's certainly high time that something is actually done about it though. If there's a house cleaning of fascists (at least overt ones) from law enforcement, perhaps that will be a vehicle for the sort of comprehensive reform that has been called for all year. Reducing the ability of the far right to act publicly with impunity, aided and abetted by law enforcement, would go a long way to permanently reducing its reach.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Indeed, but we've had 4 years of Republican politicians kowtowing to him with record support among Republicans. Most will likely see the 6th as a "tactical blunder" rather than an inherent symptom of the madness taking over the GOP. There'll be some fancy speeches, a few senators speaking out, but none of this is going away anytime soon.
duploelabs wrote: » It's waxed and waned but it's never been widely acknowledged that the US has a clear and present terrorist problem far greater than any islamist issue, these far right terrorist attacks like Dylan Roof are always labelled as a lone wolf with mental issues, and not a coordinated radicalisation by a highly evolved and embedded terrorist network, which they are
Gbear wrote: » It's waxed and waned through history. The Oklahoma City bombing happened in 1995, and it was from the same kind of ideology and militantism that led to the storming of the Capitol. Or Waco. Or Ruby Ridge. Trump didn't make people suseptible to conspiracy theories, irrational fear of the government and extreme nationalism. What he seemed to do was make it more acceptable in the mainstream. Leading to a greater capacity to radicalise and motivate more overt action. It's a symptom of a sick society. That said, if it's shorn of a figurehead, and if it's rebuked by the mainstream, the amount of cross-polination and vindication of these views will probably reduce the effects of it on everyone else.
basillarkin wrote: » Impeachment won't succeed. Better off trying to get him on criminal charges when he leaves office. The geogria sos phonecall should be enough for that alone.
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