basillarkin wrote: » No they still don't have nowhere near enough votes
basillarkin wrote: » Impeachment won't succeed. Better off trying to get him on criminal charges when he leaves office. The geogria sos phonecall should be enough for that alone.
pixelburp wrote: » I can't see Trump being invited to too many mainstream conferences or talks - not least because the man has no eloquence despite Stephen Miller's assertions to the contrary -, but assuming he doesn't flee the country or be jailed, could see him as Main Speaker at a plethora of Conservative, and/or those disparate "family values" bigot conferences. He'll dine out among that demographic if he wants to, along with guest appearances on Newsmax et al
Gbear wrote: » I can absolutely see him getting interviews on 60 minutes, or CNN, or be interviewed in papers about his time in the White House. He should never get that opportunity, and certainly not without at least heavily editing and fact checking him as he goes, or giving context for his nonsense. Eg, "We had a great election, but the fraud... the fraud it was terrible." - Trump "This is a lie. 5 people died as a result of this lie in the terrorist attack on the Capitol building". - Aside from the producer/interviewer
Igotadose wrote: » Some will vote to impeach - Romney, Murkowski, Toomey maybe. That's 3. Maybe as many as 10. But you need 66 which is 17(?) if all the Democratic senators vote to impeach. But they won't kick him out. Still, the impeachment needs to go forward and their names recorded for history.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Some polls coming out reported in the Guardian. Only 13% of Republicans polled want him out before term ends. Absolutely no chance of getting two-thirds of the Senate.
Christy42 wrote: » Still good to have it on record which representatives are at worst, mildly miffed over an attempted nazi coup. I am sure a few opponents down the line will be able to make some ads over it. Now he still has support, like Nixon did. Let's see how it is in the future.
Dohnjoe wrote: » 90% of Republicans support Trump. Any GOP senate member who votes to impeach Trump will be seen as a traitor by a significant portion of that base.
Blowfish wrote: » Doesn't matter, the dems are thinking more long term. In 10/20 years time, when a GOP presidential candidate decides to run on being the 'law and order' candidate, the first thing that'll be asked is how they are supposed to claim they support 'law and order' if they didn't impeach the person who incited a mob to overthrow the US government.
wandererz wrote: » FAKE President FAKE Presidency Hilary was the legitimate President.
12gauge dave wrote: » Why when hillary supporters rioted night in night out about 2016 election result and black lives matter rioting all year leads to no democrats getting banned on twitter? Right wing riot once in 4 years and the president of the United States get banned from twitter?
wandererz wrote: » FAKE News
looksee wrote: » ...so the blame landed just where it should.
kowloon wrote: » If Trump hadn't won in 2016 how much of the current climate would still exist? It's all bubbling under the surface, and it won't disappear in ten days. Trump seems to have been the lightning rod for it, but how much of the discontent did he actually create? People will be writing essays on the role of Trump in all of this someday with a little more hindsight. Being in the moment is a little weird.
Gbear wrote: » What he seemed to do was make it more acceptable in the mainstream. Leading to a greater capacity to radicalise and motivate more overt action. It's a symptom of a sick society. That said, if it's shorn of a figurehead, and if it's rebuked by the mainstream, the amount of cross-polination and vindication of these views will probably reduce the effects of it on everyone else.
Gbear wrote: » It's waxed and waned through history. The Oklahoma City bombing happened in 1995, and it was from the same kind of ideology and militantism that led to the storming of the Capitol. Or Waco. Or Ruby Ridge. Trump didn't make people suseptible to conspiracy theories, irrational fear of the government and extreme nationalism. What he seemed to do was make it more acceptable in the mainstream. Leading to a greater capacity to radicalise and motivate more overt action. It's a symptom of a sick society. That said, if it's shorn of a figurehead, and if it's rebuked by the mainstream, the amount of cross-polination and vindication of these views will probably reduce the effects of it on everyone else.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Indeed, but we've had 4 years of Republican politicians kowtowing to him with record support among Republicans. Most will likely see the 6th as a "tactical blunder" rather than an inherent symptom of the madness taking over the GOP. There'll be some fancy speeches, a few senators speaking out, but none of this is going away anytime soon.
duploelabs wrote: » It's waxed and waned but it's never been widely acknowledged that the US has a clear and present terrorist problem far greater than any islamist issue, these far right terrorist attacks like Dylan Roof are always labelled as a lone wolf with mental issues, and not a coordinated radicalisation by a highly evolved and embedded terrorist network, which they are
Gbear wrote: » It's not going to disappear overnight, and I think it's highly likely that multiple terrorist attacks are imminent (successful or otherwise), but by the time the 2022 mid-terms and the 2024 presidential race roll around, if Trump has been excised from policits and mostly from the public sphere, I think it's fairly unlikely that they'll be able to find someone else to recapture his routine of being too ignorant to know to hide his authoritarianism, racism and misogyny, coupled with the name ID and whatever else you could attribute his failures to. I believe there was an FBI report about widespread infiltration of the far right in police forces across the US. Some people seem to be paying attention to this. It's certainly high time that something is actually done about it though. If there's a house cleaning of fascists (at least overt ones) from law enforcement, perhaps that will be a vehicle for the sort of comprehensive reform that has been called for all year. Reducing the ability of the far right to act publicly with impunity, aided and abetted by law enforcement, would go a long way to permanently reducing its reach.
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