Bubbaclaus wrote: » They projected worst case 1,200 cases a day by mid January if Government went ahead with the opening up. Government obviously weighed that up against all the other considerations and deemed it worth the risk. If NPHET had projected 6k+ cases a day by the 5th of January then clearly the Government would have made a very different decision.
christy c wrote: » Are there people sounding like COVID deniers? Quote them please.
christy c wrote: » The spoofing i already pointed out. No, I'm not defending the government. The easing of restrictions was a huge mistake in hindsight. But less nonsensical posting such as "BUT it was based on the government not ignoring the data or the advice" would be good.
smurgen wrote: » So of the government apologists in here are sounding more and more like the covid denier lunatics. It's amazing how people will abandon all reasoning and lose their credibility for a shambles government. Trumpian politics.
christy c wrote: » Complete and utter dung. I am fully aware of accountability, I simply questioned something you clearly pulled out of your backside. The rest of your post isn't worth responding to, typical sh1te when caught spoofing.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What spoofing? You want to deflect to the opposition to defend a government you say you only voted for as the best of a bad lot.
FrancieBrady wrote: » If the opposition have a case to answer then so be it. Personally I welcomed the opening up. I and the opposition are not 'in government' though. You really need to grasp the levels of accountability here. Maybe if you stopped sulking about it and believing that the government are being blamed for 'all' of the issues, that would be a start. You do, after all, mightily contend that you chose this government as the 'best of a bad lot'. Would be nice to see you accept that they messed this up completely from a leadership/governance point of view and people are dying as a result.
christy c wrote: » But the article i linked to was as clear as the nose on my face that advice was being ignored. How does that tally with what you said in your previous post?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Alan Kelly asked to see the data in the Dáil so I presume they hadn't access.
christy c wrote: » When SF welcomed the easing of restrictions, did they not know of Tony's advice? Why didn't they change their tune afterwards if that was the case? This video was recorded the same day as the article below.https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/236387647821585/https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40090388.html%3ftype=amp
FrancieBrady wrote: » Everybody sane (I include myself in that) 'welcomed' the decision to open up. BUT it was based on the government not ignoring the data or the advice.
smurgen wrote: » They like social media when it suits them lol. Problem for them is it's all recorded and can be regurgitated which they hate.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » But aren't the opposition there to call out the government? Didn't see them calling out to stop the reopening. Fair enough about the government. Can we discuss the opposition parties now?
UDAWINNER wrote: » No one blames the govt for everything as there is a thing called personal responsability. Selfish pricks have caused this spread. For 1 year a lot of people could have restricted their movements but chose not to.
McMurphy wrote: » This is interesting, when someone unearths a tweet that makes Varadkar look incompetent, there's questions on how someone finds and remembers such tweets. When FG team unearths and draws attention to a tweet someone posted from years ago, they've to come into the Dail and explain themselves and their heads are called for. You'd have to wonder, is there ever any point reached in which govt cultists realise that they're actually a bunch of perpetual faux outraged hypocrites? Great entertainment value though.
smurgen wrote: » If DUP and FG are adamant to keep airports open on both jurisdictions what can anyone else do?
tobsey wrote: » How the **** do you remember and find a tweet from over a year and a half ago? Denile indeed. Pathetic.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Well the opposition parties are showing to be just as useless so as they agreed with the reopening. Thought they were there to challenge the governments decisions??
tobsey wrote: » Resignations? How do you work that out? My sister flew home from London on 17th December. At the time a test 5 days later would allow her out of quarantine. She got the test on the 22nd and it was negative. By that stage though the government advised all travellers from UK since 8th December should quarantine for 14 days. We ignored that advice and continued our Christmas plans to stay with her and my parents. We also went to my in laws on Christmas Day to swap presents and then to them on Stephen’s day for dinner. We went again for dinner with them on 28th. In the end me, my wife, three of our four kids, my sister, my mother in law and sister in law ended up with positive Covid tests. My sister ended up bringing it back to London having caught it here rather than bringing the new strain over. We suspect my brother in law was the first of us to have it but he never got tested so we can’t be sure. We saw him Christmas Day and on the 28th. The 28th was the only day we broke the one household rule but I’d say I’d already caught it because I got symptoms on 29th. So we chose to break two rules from government and ended up with it spreading rampant. Even if we had obeyed all the rules it looks like we’d have had three same outcome. Except my sister might have escaped it if she’d stayed in her room right through Christmas. I can’t imagine anyone expected that to happen though. So maybe if the government had implemented level 5 before Christmas me and my family would have avoided Covid, and similarly many other families too. We wouldn’t have had the numbers nationally that we’ve seen. But virtually nobody wanted that, not you or any of the other regular government detractors would have wanted it or obeyed it. Hindsight is 20-20, but to lay all the blame at the government is just wrong.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The opposition are not responsible for governmental decisions JJ. The buck stops with the government here.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Who exactly is laying 'ALL' the blame on the government? This is a thread to discuss government. We have seen people post on their successes and their failures. They have failed the people here, without a doubt IMO. The people have also failed. Both can be true.
smurgen wrote: » The usual pointless rhetoric. Anything to drown out the monumental fcuk up by government now putting us all at risk.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » They are in power in the North. Where its rampant and we share a border with. I know you will still say they are absolved of any blame though. What do they actually do again????
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Not the question I asked. Usual side stepping.
smurgen wrote: » SF weren't in power. FFG they called the shots. The shots that have us where we are. Where's the rhetoric were were fed in April of Leo and Simon playing a blinder with the pandemic? Talk about premature.
