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Bazzo

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It was an unconstitutional referendum, so that’s why the result was so one sided. Same reason a Scottish independence referendum would absolutely need Westminster backing before it could legitimately go ahead. The last poll I saw the majority of people polled were against independence.

Yeah that's correct, I couldn't remember the details exactly.. I'm pretty sure it's quite close though, I was in Barcelona in late 2016 and I remember at the time the opinion polls were showing support for independence leading.

swiwi_

thomond2006

Ransacking a Capitol building, I'm getting Empire Earth flashbacks.

errlloyd

3 cases of the South African variant detected here in Ireland. (Presumably, Munster are considering signing them)

sydthebeat

errlloyd wrote: »

3 cases of the South African variant detected here in Ireland. (Presumably, Munster are considering signing them)

Brilliant

Dubinusa

Just thinking about the covid. Would it be wrong to postpone all pro sports? Wouldn't player safety be the 1st priority?

thomond2006

Dubinusa wrote: »

Just thinking about the covid. Would it be wrong to postpone all pro sports? Wouldn't player safety be the 1st priority?

Pro sports would cease to exist.
The teams also are paying for their own testing regime so aren't a burden on the public system.

The Inbetween is mine

Looks like Donald Trump's twitter is suspended again
Actually... looks like a permanent suspension

irishbucsfan

I’d say they’re keeping it going on the basis it’s a relatively easy area to keep a closed bubble and it provides a good outlet and entertainment for everyone else locked at home

I mean I made so many friends from Ulster this week and I never even left my house

Synode

The 1st lockdown without sport was the worst. Hopefully they don't cancel everything.

[Deleted User]

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Looks like Donald Trump's twitter is suspended again
Actually... looks like a permanent suspension

He's now gotten 4 other people suspended trying to tweet from their accounts.

Hilarious.

[Deleted User]

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It was an unconstitutional referendum, so that’s why the result was so one sided. Same reason a Scottish independence referendum would absolutely need Westminster backing before it could legitimately go ahead. The last poll I saw the majority of people polled were against independence.

There is no existing legal mechanism or precedent for Catalan to secede from Spain.

The 2014 referendum provides an existing mechanism and precedent which makes Scotland's situation significantly different. There is division amongst constitutional lawyers as to whether Scotland could assert a legal right to hold a referendum through the courts but I suspect this is the initial route they will go if Westminster outright rejects whatever mandate emerges from the May elections.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

He's now gotten 4 other people suspended trying to tweet from their accounts.

Hilarious.

If he was in any way a good business man, he would have set up his own twitter years ago.

dregin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If he was in any way a good business man, he would have set up his own twitter years ago.

If parler doesn't work out, I'll be surprised if they don't just throw up a mastodon (https://joinmastodon.org/) instance.

Neil3030

dregin wrote: »

If parler doesn't work out, I'll be surprised if they don't just throw up a mastodon (https://joinmastodon.org/) instance.

Wasn't the mastadon already arrested in Arizona?

irishbucsfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is no existing legal mechanism or precedent for Catalan to secede from Spain.

The 2014 referendum provides an existing mechanism and precedent which makes Scotland's situation significantly different. There is division amongst constitutional lawyers as to whether Scotland could assert a legal right to hold a referendum through the courts but I suspect this is the initial route they will go if Westminster outright rejects whatever mandate emerges from the May elections.

Scotland’s situation is different in many ways, but unless Westminster supports a referendum it’s fairly worthless as a mandate, and in that regard it’s similar

swiwi_

Neil3030

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Dubinusa

Looks like the Moderna vaccine will be available to my work soon. I suppose I should get it!

stephen_n

Dubinusa wrote: »

Looks like the Moderna vaccine will be available to my work soon. I suppose I should get it!

If it was being offered by my work I’d be taking it tomorrow.

Neil3030

Lovely. Hit him right square in the golf.

https://twitter.com/angry__saint/status/1348350058861797376?s=20

Dave_The_Sheep

All these brave companies coming out a week or two before Trump's losing of the presidency and banning/punishing him and his. So unique and brave of them to do it so late in the day.

They wouldn't have said boo six months ago, even though if they give half the ****s they claim to, they'd have done it a few years back. Easy to stick the boot in now.

Yes, I know it's just the way things are.

irishbucsfan

The Demecratic house whip is suggesting they bring impeachment proceedings to the Senate later this year. That’s an interesting idea, would mean a democratic senate would be able to vote to impeach Trump without his presence in the White House which maybe means they can convince a few extra republicans to vote with them. Still a very difficult task to get the votes they need.

sydthebeat

There's talk of removing the "seditious six" through the 14th amendment now, presumably through section 3

That would be delicious and a stark warning against any future similar actions

[Deleted User]

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

All these brave companies coming out a week or two before Trump's losing of the presidency and banning/punishing him and his. So unique and brave of them to do it so late in the day.

They wouldn't have said boo six months ago, even though if they give half the ****s they claim to, they'd have done it a few years back. Easy to stick the boot in now.

Yes, I know it's just the way things are.

Yeah it's hard not to by cynical about it all. Chicken and egg - we're they waiting for him to be out of office, or was this simply something sufficiently egregious to take action against him? I find the cries of censorship hilarious against a man with his own press room.

Lot of talk that big tech is concerned the incoming administration will regulate them more heavily and they are getting out in front of it. Awful lot of condemnation of Fox news too, in particular their more extreme commentators.

I don't think much will come from it, the money will still flow from private interests into the Republican party and Fox news is showing no signs of tempering it's nonsense as the antifa meme above perfectly illustrates.

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The Demecratic house whip is suggesting they bring impeachment proceedings to the Senate later this year. That’s an interesting idea, would mean a democratic senate would be able to vote to impeach Trump without his presence in the White House which maybe means they can convince a few extra republicans to vote with them. Still a very difficult task to get the votes they need.

It makes life easier for Biden who will want to get his cabinet approved as quickly as possible. The general sentiment is that people across the country and particularly in red states need to feel things improve immediately under Biden. The best way to damage Trumpism is a swift improvement in the economy and an improved management of covid.

There is also a self interest in it for them if Trump does a number on the GOP like it's beginning to look like he will (the death threats against Pence are weapons grade hysterical crazy).

On the flipside there is now a much clearer threat from his supporters. Appears that both the military and law enforcement were well represented by the rioters which is a terrible look.

sydthebeat wrote: »

There's talk of removing the "seditious six" through the 14th amendment now, presumably through section 3

That would be delicious and a stark warning against any future similar actions

Yeah I don't think Ted Cruz has many friends on the hill and Hawley given his relative novice status would be an easy fall guy. Both are tainted now you would feel and the condemnation isn't receding. Had there just been riots it would be one thing, but the death threats against Pence and the death of the police officer (who apparently was a Trump supporter) is going to force a response.

You would wonder what is keeping Pence from ousting Trump, given his wife and child had to go into a secret secure location with him with a noose sitting outside the building with his name on it.

[Deleted User]

I just hope something actually happens and partisan lines are broken for once. If not, whatever little credit the US has will be well and truly gone.

swiwi_

Think it's a pity the dems tried their stupid impeachment attempt about ukraine, which never ever had cross-party support, was doomed to fail, and looked like a political manoeuvre.

Here they should really emphasise that it's anti-trump and not anti-republican.

Zzippy

Deleted User wrote: »

You would wonder what is keeping Pence from ousting Trump, given his wife and child had to go into a secret secure location with him with a noose sitting outside the building with his name on it.

He would need a majority of the cabinet to back the move. A lot of cabinet secretaries are acting, so its not clear if their vote would count, but most are Trump appointees following the sacking of previous secretaries and may have more loyalty to Trump. Regardless of the above, I don't think Pence has the balls anyway.

[Deleted User]

Zzippy wrote: »

He would need a majority of the cabinet to back the move. A lot of cabinet secretaries are acting, so its not clear if their vote would count, but most are Trump appointees following the sacking of previous secretaries and may have more loyalty to Trump. Regardless of the above, I don't think Pence has the balls anyway.

DeVose and Chao resigning immediately was very telling in this regards.

I still think if Pence said that article 25 was appropriate and necessary then it pile pressure onto the cabinet. It might also force the Senate to convene and potentially convict. But as you said - he doesn't have the balls and with the rumours of Democrats withholding the articles of impeachment for a few months he may be happy to let the clock run out.

I'd imagine Trump is pretty neutered at this stage. If he did anything particularly bad before January 20 it would be problematic for Republicans so I'd say his powers are limited and with no social media his voice is also largely muted.

I do also wonder does Democratic leadership know what else is coming out in the coming months and think a delay will increase the likelihood of conviction!

Zzippy

Deleted User wrote: »

DeVose and Chao resigning immediately was very telling in this regards.

I still think if Pence said that article 25 was appropriate and necessary then it pile pressure onto the cabinet. It might also force the Senate to convene and potentially convict. But as you said - he doesn't have the balls and with the rumours of Democrats withholding the articles of impeachment for a few months he may be happy to let the clock run out.

I'd imagine Trump is pretty neutered at this stage. If he did anything particularly bad before January 20 it would be problematic for Republicans so I'd say his powers are limited and with no social media his voice is also largely muted.

I do also wonder does Democratic leadership know what else is coming out in the coming months and think a delay will increase the likelihood of conviction!

Trump is largely silenced alright, since he doesn't seem able to comprehend that he can just use the WH to issue a statement, give a briefing, press conference etc. He definitely doesn't have the balls to face the press and answer questions. Twitter suited him perfectly in that regard.

What I find astonishing is the total silence from federal agencies - DOJ, FBI, ATF etc that under any other admin would be holding twice daily briefings on what happened last week, and their investigations. Total. Radio, Silence! There is a complete leadership vacuum at the moment in Washington, like a state of paralysis.