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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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[Deleted User]

Bowie wrote: »

Another 'good republican'

I'd have some trust in him to have a sensible approach to it. Not sugar coat it but get out there and secure some investment. Recognise the financial hurdles and get ahead of them.

James Brown

jh79 wrote: »

I'd have some trust in him to have a sensible approach to it. Not sugar coat it but get out there and secure some investment. Recognise the financial hurdles and get ahead of them.

Agreed, as do the FG membership, yet the FG HQ gifted the leadership to Varadkar.
Pointing out being a Republican isn't necessarily being a shinner or a FG'er. Not that there's anything wrong with being either.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

I'd have some trust in him to have a sensible approach to it. Not sugar coat it but get out there and secure some investment. Recognise the financial hurdles and get ahead of them.

Who is proposing a UI without securing investment and support jh79...do tell?

Must have sent you guys reeling in shock that Coveney reckons it's doable in his political lifetime.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is proposing a UI without securing investment and support jh79...do tell?

Must have sent you guys reeling in shock that Coveney reckons it's doable in his political lifetime.

There's folk think a transition period would be discrimination

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

There's folk think a transition period would be discrimination

There are folk that think there is no cost to unification, that believe in taxing unicorns and rainbows to pay for it, that harmonisation is not necessary, thereby preserving discrimination.

Complete charlatans that ignore the costs of unification.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

There are folk that think there is no cost to unification, that believe in taxing unicorns and rainbows to pay for it, that harmonisation is not necessary, thereby preserving discrimination.

Complete charlatans that ignore the costs of unification.

There are folk who think partition has cost nothing either.

Fionn1952

blanch152 wrote: »

There are folk that think there is no cost to unification, that believe in taxing unicorns and rainbows to pay for it, that harmonisation is not necessary, thereby preserving discrimination.

Complete charlatans that ignore the costs of unification.

Quick one, Blanch.....do you think unification, should it happen in the most perfect of economic circumstances such so that even the likes of you were on board, would be an on the spot flick of the switch? Or do you think it would be a gradual transition? A passing of the torch rather than blowing a stick of dynamite if you will.

If you would expect, as most rational people would, that it will be a gradual transition, do you think it would be egregiously discriminatory should all things not be equalised overnight?

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There are folk who think partition has cost nothing either.

And there are folks that think a UI should happen regardless of cost.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is proposing a UI without securing investment and support jh79...do tell?

Must have sent you guys reeling in shock that Coveney reckons it's doable in his political lifetime.

Francie i've posted many times that if you wanted an UI FG are the party to vote for as they would be best for the economy. SF populist someone else will pay approach is not going to achieve it.

Gonna be hard for Coveney to achieve from the opposition benches.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Francie i've posted many times that if you wanted an UI FG are the party to vote for as they would be best for the economy. SF populist someone else will pay approach is not going to achieve it.

Gonna be hard for Coveney to achieve from the opposition benches.

Irish Water? Irish Unity?

No thanks jh79

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

And there are folks that think a UI should happen regardless of cost.

Yes, I would be one because partition is too costly in far more ways than money.

RandomViewer

jh79 wrote: »

Francie i've posted many times that if you wanted an UI FG are the party to vote for as they would be best for the economy. SF populist someone else will pay approach is not going to achieve it.

Gonna be hard for Coveney to achieve from the opposition benches.

You seem to be missing one vital fact, in all likelihood Coveney's political career ends at the next election,

[Deleted User]

RandomViewer wrote: »

You seem to be missing one vital fact, in all likelihood Coveney's political career ends at the next election,

You missed the last line of my post. Not much he can do from the opposition benches.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

You missed the last line of my post. Not much he can do from the opposition benches.

There is consensus on a UI in the political sphere jh79...government/opposition in alignment, so from a UI perspective we have a national government.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is consensus on a UI in the political sphere jh79...government/opposition in alignment, so from a UI perspective we have a national government.

There's not a consensus on timelines though. Bluster from Martin / MLD on it not happening / happening within 5 years. Leo seems to think it's a long time away.

While it's essentially up to the British i can't see anything happening untill the economy is fixed and after that it could be decades of negotiations to get it right.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

There's not a consensus on timelines though. Bluster from Martin / MLD on it not happening / happening within 5 years. Leo seems to think it's a long time away.

While it's essentially up to the British i can't see anything happening untill the economy is fixed and after that it could be decades of negotiations to get it right.

if's and buts.

Fact is you don't know jh79.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

if's and buts.

Fact is you don't know jh79.

Either do you but my opinion that the Republic is not willing to pay for it is supported by an opinion poll.

A 40% drop when asked if they were willing to pay via taxation would be foolish to ignore.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Either do you but my opinion that the Republic is not willing to pay for it is supported by an opinion poll.

A 40% drop when asked if they were willing to pay via taxation would be foolish to ignore.

One opinion poll asking a question we would all probably answer no to, is not a consensus or a reason not to proceed.

And correct, I don't know either, which is why I am not making grandiose claims on it.

Times are changing fast, I am happy to go where they are flowing.

touts

Had to laugh when I heard Pearse Doherty called out red handed for spreading Fake News on Saturday with Katie Hannon. And by Mary Butler of all people. She's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and yet she gutted him and all he could do was stammer and stutter a half apology. And in the week that people are not exactly very friendly to populist rabble rousers.

[Deleted User]

touts wrote: »

Had to laugh when I heard Pearse Doherty called out red handed for spreading Fake News on Saturday with Katie Hannon. And by Mary Butler of all people. She's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and yet she gutted him and all he could do was stammer and stutter a half apology. And in the week that people are not exactly very friendly to populist rabble rousers.

What happened?

FrancieBrady

touts wrote: »

Had to laugh when I heard Pearse Doherty called out red handed for spreading Fake News on Saturday with Katie Hannon. And by Mary Butler of all people. She's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and yet she gutted him and all he could do was stammer and stutter a half apology. And in the week that people are not exactly very friendly to populist rabble rousers.

Was he 'torn a new one', so to spake?

RandomViewer

jh79 wrote: »

You missed the last line of my post. Not much he can do from the opposition benches.

He wont be sitting on them, he'll be in a warehouse in Birmingham overseeing mayonnaise shipments for his brother

Fann Linn

jh79 wrote: »

What happened?

He said we're the worst in the EU for Covid spread and she said 'no we're not, we're mid table'.

No comment however when he said that it's a disgrace that someone in the HSE should get a €92k pay rise and she said 'I don't know who decided on that'.

I think that's the bigger problem here.

touts

jh79 wrote: »

What happened?

She left him go off on a rant about how Ireland was the worst ranked country in Europe for percentage of population vaccinated. He was getting really riled up and then she just interrupted with actual facts and he was speechless. Knew he had been caught out on a complete lie.

blanch152

touts wrote: »

She left him go off on a rant about how Ireland was the worst ranked country in Europe for percentage of population vaccinated. He was getting really riled up and then she just interrupted with actual facts and he was speechless. Knew he had been caught out on a complete lie.

It is the Trump/Brexit tactic, make up a statistic to criticise your opponent, lie about it, double down on the lie, keep repeating it. Unfortunately, as we have seen with Trump, it works a lot of the time.

Sinn Fein are quick to pick up on every nasty trick in the book.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It is the Trump/Brexit tactic, make up a statistic to criticise your opponent, lie about it, double down on the lie, keep repeating it. Unfortunately, as we have seen with Trump, it works a lot of the time.

Sinn Fein are quick to pick up on every nasty trick in the book.

Is that the guy Leo helped with planning and who sympathised with him on his media issues?

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is that the guy Leo helped with planning and who sympathised with him on his media issues?

The same guy who attended a $500 a plate fund raising dinner for Sinn Fein and met privately with then Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams. Maybe they compared notes on their property empires or swapped notes on how best to suppress sexual assault allegations. The same guy Adams later congratulated on being elected the 45th president of the US.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The same guy who attended a $500 a plate fund raising dinner for Sinn Fein and met privately with then Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams. Maybe they compared notes on their property empires or swapped notes on how best to suppress sexual assault allegations. The same guy Adams later congratulated on being elected the 45th president of the US.

What was wrong with that?

Doing planning favours SS though...that used to get you in trouble back in the day.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What was wrong with that?

Doing planning favours SS though...that used to get you in trouble back in the day.

We can all see the pictures with Gerry extending the begging bowl, I mean hand of friendship to slum landlord Trump. Where is your evidence of planning corruption? Or are you referring to a political quip as your “evidence”?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What was wrong with that?

Doing planning favours SS though...that used to get you in trouble back in the day.

Are you saying that FG or FF did something illegal for Trump?

Aren't you the poster that always wants a conviction before saying something like that? Gerry Adams wasn't in the IRA because he was never convicted of it, and Mairia Cahill wasn't raped by an IRA man and brought before a kangaroo court because nobody was ever convicted of it?

Isn't that your consistent stance in your posts?

Yet, you can come along and baldly state that FG or FF did planning favours for Trump, something which is illegal, without producing evidence, without having a conviction etc.

Do you accept that this is more than a little hypocritical of you?