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slave1

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Stemming from the Off Topic thread becoming Golf Centric recently....

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blue note

Those replies were interesting. I had thought it was just wanting to be more like the better golfers in the club, but it sounds like there are logical reasons to pursue a default draw. I won't be trying it, but I'll no longer judging the people that do.

Okay, I'll try another one....

I don't get people trying to chip with lots of check on the ball. They should just roll it up to the hole. Seeing people who are very average club golfers trying to fire it towards the hole and have it just stop is the opposite of impressive for me. If it works fine, but you're swinging so hard to hit the ball such a short distance. The chances of chunking it or boning it through a green are massive. As opposed to a bump and run with the 8 iron. Even if you thin it, you're not swinging hard enough for it to be a major problem. Even if you need to clear something my preference would be to play it with a bit of loft anyway.

So what's the logic there people?

gypsy79

tayto lover wrote: »

I can draw the ball and fade the ball.
The trouble is I don’t know when and I don’t know how.

I am by no means an expert.....but if you are doing both I am suspecting that your alignment is off. You need a set of alignment sticks!!

tayto lover

I can draw the ball and fade the ball.
The trouble is I don’t know when and I don’t know how.

Jimbee

I suppose if you even have a slight fade you are generally moving the wrong body parts first. If you play that way there will be times when you get a worse fade.
If you learn to hit a draw you will always be able to hit both ways. If your hooking go back to a fade to straighten out your flight and vice versa. So learning to draw the ball is not just for distance it teaches you different movement patterns and gives you lots of options.

Deeper Blue

I'm absolutely sick to death of hearing about Charlie Woods

They were even on about him during the tournament of champions TV coverage earlier

Granted he's got a great swing for his age but so do thousands of other youngsters. Chances are he'll never even make it as a pro.

Leave the kid alone

redzerdrog

I think it is a myth that a draw goes further than a fade or that a a left miss is better than a right miss.

It's all about getting the functional match up in the swing but many people who fade the ball lose yards not because of the ball fades but because fade might be due to an over the top movement or early extension or a very weak grip or other deficit in the swing.

I think most people get thought to move from a fade to a draw because this move will change the functional match up in the swing that causes some of the above. But in theory the aim isnt necessarily to change everyone to a draw but if you have someone who's natural path is -12 with an nautral face and get them to try change the their path to a exaggerated +8 they might get some movements that will bring that natural closer to -2 which will make it much easier to get a functional match up.

That made a lot more sense in my head anyway!!!

Bill Ponderosa

Strangely when I started playing golf I had a natural draw. When I got decent at golf I decided I needed to learn how to hit a fade mainly for the craic but incase I ever needed it or to show off to the lads.

Anyway for the next few weeks I hit nothing but fades off the tee with the driver. Learned it fairly quickly, big power fades. 3 weeks later I said I better get back to my usual shot shape as I was starting to hit massive slices. Unfortunately for me my draw was gone for good. 3 years later I've no idea where the ball will go and my game has fallen apart!! Work in progress.

dan_ep82

I think most people can hit a fade and a draw but like me it's hit and miss whether it's a functional one.

I score better when my miss is a low hook vs a high push fade simply because it usually stays in bounds.

I can fade a draw irons pretty much on command but the driver is a different story.

billy3sheets

Interesting read on what Tadhg Harrington thinks of draw v fade here: https://harringtongolfacademy.com/swing-myths-set-up/
Personally I'd love to be able to draw and fade the ball. I'd naturally fade or slice it, probably because I try to swing too hard and come over the top. I watched a few videos on drawing it and have been having some success, if not a draw then a non-slice.

RoadRunner

slave1 wrote: »

At pro level a bad draw is a better miss than a bad fade (apparently, don't know why)

I think the side of the miss is more significant for amateurs. In my own experience, ie: not pro level :rolleyes: a miss left and a miss right are not equal. The bad push is always a high shot with spin that carries pretty good distance. When it lands the ball is dropping from a high trajectory with spin which is very likely to nestle into the rough and become a lost ball. Due to its trajectory it's difficult to gauge exactly how far it travelled and the search area for the ball is wide. Just finding the ball needs luck.

The miss left is a bad hook has a very low trajectory and will land way shorter then normal however with pace. Your eye can often follow it better if it goes into rough it may skip and hop around. Due to the difference in trajectory will sometimes have a better lie then you might expect for such a poor strike. With luck you may still be able to find the green with it.

The Pros have other people to find their ball. They normally just walk up to it wherever it ends up.

[Deleted User]

blue note wrote: »

Why do people obsess about making a draw their natural shot shape instead of a fade?

My coach actually got me to switch from a natural draw to a fade. My bad hooks we're costing me alot of shots from the tee.

slave1

At pro level a bad draw is a better miss than a bad fade (apparently, don't know why)

padmcv

blue note wrote: »

Why do people obsess about making a draw their natural shot shape instead of a fade?

I try to play a draw because my fade can turn into a slice very quickly.
My miss with a draw on a bad day is a low-left which I find less damaging to my score than a slice.

DuckSlice

blue note wrote: »

Why do people obsess about making a draw their natural shot shape instead of a fade? I think a few pros have done it in an effort to win Augusta and I'm not sure it's a good idea even then. But you see mid to high handicappers trying desperately to turn their shot shape into a draw. I think it's madness. Colin Montgomerie and Jack Nicklaus played with natural fades. It's not stopping people get down to single figures or anything!

Personally, I have a natural slice. I try very hard to hit it straight and on the good days it balances off to a fade. And most of the time that's an absolutely fine shot shape. The only time it's a bit of a problem is on a very windy day when a left to right wind can turn it into a serious slice. Or if I'm too tight to trees on my left hand side. But if I switched to a draw I'd have a mirror of the problem anyway.

The ball generally goes further with draw that probably has a lot to do with it.

blue note

Why do people obsess about making a draw their natural shot shape instead of a fade? I think a few pros have done it in an effort to win Augusta and I'm not sure it's a good idea even then. But you see mid to high handicappers trying desperately to turn their shot shape into a draw. I think it's madness. Colin Montgomerie and Jack Nicklaus played with natural fades. It's not stopping people get down to single figures or anything!

Personally, I have a natural slice. I try very hard to hit it straight and on the good days it balances off to a fade. And most of the time that's an absolutely fine shot shape. The only time it's a bit of a problem is on a very windy day when a left to right wind can turn it into a serious slice. Or if I'm too tight to trees on my left hand side. But if I switched to a draw I'd have a mirror of the problem anyway.

tayto lover

Thinking back over the summer.
If I didn’t have an 8 on the seventh, a 7 on the eleventh, a 6 on the fourteenth and another 8 on the seventeenth I could have won the Captain’s Prize.
I was that close.

slingerz

I don’t see golf clubs opening by Paddy’s Day really. I expect schools will stay shut until the mid term in February and give golf another month after that. Hopefully the vaccine means it’s the final lockdown

The only saving grace is that given the time of the year and the weather/underfoot conditions it isn’t the worst. Lockdown 1.0 was way worse given the fine weather we had!

Ollieboy

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I've had similar issues getting responses from clubs on membership even before this latest lockdown. Sent multiple emails to clubs but only got one reply which had any concrete information and an application form attached. I did contact a club this week but am not sure if/when I'll ever get a response on that now that golf is closed indefinitely. I'm beginning to wonder now if its even worthwhile trying to join somewhere this year given the cost and likelihood of ongoing restrictions.

Golf membership is always worthwhile, it’s about belonging to a club and been part of a family.

I reckon once we reopen at the end of Feb or early March that it will be the last lockdown for golf but it will be a long time before other sports get back to pre COVID activity. The govt were very clear that golf would only shut down if the situation was very bad.

I personally see COVID been around and a issue until the end of this year if not longer. They will only complete the vaccines and have to restart again. Hence I think golf will be the most active sport around for a while.

Ivefoundgod

I've had similar issues getting responses from clubs on membership even before this latest lockdown. Sent multiple emails to clubs but only got one reply which had any concrete information and an application form attached. I did contact a club this week but am not sure if/when I'll ever get a response on that now that golf is closed indefinitely. I'm beginning to wonder now if its even worthwhile trying to join somewhere this year given the cost and likelihood of ongoing restrictions.

Ollieboy

Kiith wrote: »

Haven't gotten caught up in online shopping, but i am planning on building a full on golf net out the back of the new house, and then maybe invest in a decent launch monitor. Jan and almost certainly Feb will be no golf, so will need to actually start working on my swing from home.

Also, emailed Dooks 3 times, and called them about membership, and can't get any info. Same thing happened in Tullamore when i was looking for info. Not sure why clubs don't reply. Surely getting new members is a priority most of the time? I'll go easy on them as it's Covid, but still.

Wait...maybe it's me that's the problem

A lot of clubs will not have full time offices staff or the option of remote working for staff due to old phone systems. Also, some clubs will put staff on leave to allow them make claims. Because pros shops are closed, I reckon your wasting your time ringing any club at the moment.

Golf won’t reopen until we drop to level 4. I reckon that’s the start of March.

I also think we will be back to 14 mins or 2balls and no competitions for a while like last time.

It will be tough time for most clubs as renewals due now and clubs usually have very little cash at year end.

Whiplash85

pinkdoubleeagle wrote: »

I picked up my new irons and wedges on December 29th after a 15 week wait only for Golf to be closed the following day so haven't had the chance to hit them yet. Also joined Rosses as a distant member and not been down yet.

Renewal invoice arrived this morning for the home club. I reckon it will be March before I do either. Not a chance Golf will be looked at until schools are fully up and running again

I think once non essential retail is open again then golf clubs will be open again. If schools are to remain closed until mid term or after it I should say then we are probably looking at mid March realistically for a return of golf. Its a pity but the only thing that takes the sting out of it for me is that a lot of golf clubs will be closed at the moment anyway due to extreme cold snap. From the couple of rounds I played before current restrictions it was tough sledding as well with underfoot conditions and heavy rain.

pinkdoubleeagle

I picked up my new irons and wedges on December 29th after a 15 week wait only for Golf to be closed the following day so haven't had the chance to hit them yet. Also joined Rosses as a distant member and not been down yet.

Renewal invoice arrived this morning for the home club. I reckon it will be March before I do either. Not a chance Golf will be looked at until schools are fully up and running again

Kiith

Haven't gotten caught up in online shopping, but i am planning on building a full on golf net out the back of the new house, and then maybe invest in a decent launch monitor. Jan and almost certainly Feb will be no golf, so will need to actually start working on my swing from home.

Also, emailed Dooks 3 times, and called them about membership, and can't get any info. Same thing happened in Tullamore when i was looking for info. Not sure why clubs don't reply. Surely getting new members is a priority most of the time? I'll go easy on them as it's Covid, but still.

Wait...maybe it's me that's the problem

Benicetomonty

About 20 minutes for me once the m50 cooperates. Would need to be more careful on a weekday morning.

And online golf shopping is becoming a problem for me too. Wardrobe and shoe collection starting to bulge. Wife talking about sheds and extensions, cant be a coincidence.

ClutchIt

20 mins for me. There is another course just 5 mins away, but it is twice the price. 20 mins is fine anyway, but I wouldn't want to be driving anything more than 30.
God I love golf. Dying for a game now.

redzerdrog

spacecoyote wrote: »

Have the accustrike version of the same thing. Got it last year, but given the way 2020 went, it didn't get much use.

Mostly ended up using it for some practice chipping in the house. It gives good feedback on strike.

As I haven't used it for much full swing stuff I can't really comment on the durability though

I drunkenly bought one last night. I recently bought Adam Youngs Strike Plan so there is a few drills in that it should come in handy for even if it just swinging at plastic balls in the garden

spacecoyote

redzerdrog wrote: »

Anyone try one of these? https://www.amazon.co.uk/HKKE-Detection-Practice-Training-Outdoor/dp/B08R6VVMJW

Would you recommend?

Have the accustrike version of the same thing. Got it last year, but given the way 2020 went, it didn't get much use.

Mostly ended up using it for some practice chipping in the house. It gives good feedback on strike.

As I haven't used it for much full swing stuff I can't really comment on the durability though

Bill Ponderosa

I suppose I'll have to start a bit of in house golf/training. I've got the putt out and a yellow whip so I'll have use of them now. Will give the clubs and gear a good wash. Load up on youtube golf if I've time. January will be bleaker than usual. Roll on April.

redzerdrog

Anyone try one of these? https://www.amazon.co.uk/HKKE-Detection-Practice-Training-Outdoor/dp/B08R6VVMJW

Would you recommend?

slave1

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