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ClanofLams

I expect Trump to become much more of a fringe figure in the Republican Party than seems possible now. He will support primary challengers loads of republicans who he views as disloyal next year, largely lose and from then on, never be a serious contender for 2024.

The base of his support that believes all the conspiracy theories will move on to someone else. Establishment/moderate republicans never really embraced him anyway albeit they certainly enabled him.

irishbucsfan

swiwi_ wrote: »

Impossible to take Pelosi seriously. Instead of saying something like what transpired was not acceptable, I will meet with members from both sides of the house and see if there is a common consensus to impeach she comes out with a threat "either pence invokes 25 or else we'll impeach". That kind of grandstanding will never get republican support.

Well she doesn’t need Republican support in the house and they all already know that

It’s Schumer who needs the Republican support

Impeachment will definitely not happen. It’d rule Trump out of ever running again. He’s going nowhere I’d say

EDIT: I’d say the only way the 25th happens is if Pemce agrees to Pardon Trump and then immediately reinstate him!

swiwi_

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I would say the face of the campaign is Schumer and Pelosi. They’re the ones making statements and they’re exactly who should be making them. Ilhan Omar is just who started it.

Also, it’s worth pointing out that while AOC and Omar are definitely strongly supportive, so are many others. They’re only “the face” of anything in American media because they are female and non-white. I have a feeling that is going to prove pretty dangerous for the conservative media who decided to frame them as socialist masterminds when they realised Sanders was shedding his boogeyman status

Impossible to take Pelosi seriously. Instead of saying something like what transpired was not acceptable, I will meet with members from both sides of the house and see if there is a common consensus to impeach she comes out with a threat "either pence invokes 25 or else we'll impeach". That kind of grandstanding will never get republican support.

[Deleted User]

The only thing you can say with absolute certainty is that Trump was self serving when he made that speech.

That leaves two likely possibilities, he was threatened in a convincing and serious manner by people with the power to punish him (Senate republicans) or he is teeing up for a 2024 run and needed something to satiate moderate Republicans. Could be both!

I would imagine it was primarily the former and it doesn't read like something drafted by trump. It might be enough for them to see off impeachment if Congress pass the articles currently being drafted.

aloooof

errlloyd wrote: »

What the ****. Has he been capable of that level of coherence the whole time?? Like what. My mind is blown.

I'd say if he'd gone off-script for even 30 seconds, the mask would have fallen again.

stephen_n

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I would say the face of the campaign is Schumer and Pelosi. They’re the ones making statements and they’re exactly who should be making them. Ilhan Omar is just who started it.

Also, it’s worth pointing out that while AOC and Omar are definitely strongly supportive, so are many others. They’re only “the face” of anything in American media because they are female and non-white. I have a feeling that is going to prove pretty dangerous for the conservative media who decided to frame them as socialist masterminds when they realised Sanders was shedding his boogeyman status

Omar and some others drafted the impeachment though. So even if Pelosi and Schumer get fully behind it. The media will continue to push where it came from.

The main thing for the Dems in impeaching him, even if it’s after he leaves office. It will mean he can never run for President again. That’s possibly some of the motivation for his speech. To avoid that happening.

Neil3030

A cop has died from injuries sustained defending the mob.

More people have now died than Benghazi.

irishbucsfan

swiwi_ wrote: »

As an aside if the dems are serious about forcing impeachment or 25 amendment, having your most left wing representatives (AOC, Omar) as the face of the campaign makes it looking like nothing more than pure politics (which it is).

I would say the face of the campaign is Schumer and Pelosi. They’re the ones making statements and they’re exactly who should be making them. Ilhan Omar is just who started it.

Also, it’s worth pointing out that while AOC and Omar are definitely strongly supportive, so are many others. They’re only “the face” of anything in American media because they are female and non-white. I have a feeling that is going to prove pretty dangerous for the conservative media who decided to frame them as socialist masterminds when they realised Sanders was shedding his boogeyman status

irishbucsfan

It’s actually mad looking at the reaction to that video. Half of the right wing accounts are saying that it’s all an Antifa instigated con, because Trump supporters would never do this, and the other half are saying they were there and they did it and this video is a deep fake so they should do it again.

swiwi_

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's clearly a deepfake and those libs and the mainstream media have taken control of his Twitter account!!!

Edit: I posted this in jest but just after looking at Reddit and this is genuinely what a lot of them are saying, sweet mother of jaysus.

I reckon it is a deep fake...I mean hard to take trump seriously. This video is about 4 weeks too late. And full of lies (as usual) even if much of what he said is what had to be said. I’d say he was told cop on by senior republicans or else we’ll have to take those democratic threats seriously.

As an aside if the dems are serious about forcing impeachment or 25 amendment, having your most left wing representatives (AOC, Omar) as the face of the campaign makes it looking like nothing more than pure politics (which it is).

Dave_The_Sheep

Bazzo wrote: »

Wonder who managed to finally get through to him and how

Read it, or get 25th'd.

Must have been some amount of concentration drugs he was on to stick on message for that long. Must un-Trump like speech ... probably ever.

First two sentences were lies, of course.

errlloyd

What the ****. Has he been capable of that level of coherence the whole time?? Like what. My mind is blown.

Squidgy Black

It's clearly a deepfake and those libs and the mainstream media have taken control of his Twitter account!!!

Edit: I posted this in jest but just after looking at Reddit and this is genuinely what a lot of them are saying, sweet mother of jaysus.

Bazzo

Trump officially conceded and even condemned the attack yesterday(no ifs or buts!:eek:)

I'm loathe to link to his twitter but I suppose I can make an exception...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550

Wonder who managed to finally get through to him and how

molloyjh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

Gold. Pure gold.

Squidgy Black

Zzippy wrote: »

Hard for the people defending the congress chamber to know that.

Yeah the key thing is that these were the people guarding the chambers of the members of congress, from a group rioting and smashing windows and barricades claiming they're inciting a revolution.

The officers had their guns drawn and were shouting at people not to cross the barricade, and multiple people were pulling her back, including other armed members of the police, yet she decided that she was going to continue anyways and try and enter the congress chamber.

Stheno

stephen_n wrote: »

It would appear not all the police were trying to keep them out.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1347312395736264704?s=21

Some of them posed for selfish with the rioters iirc

stephen_n

It would appear not all the police were trying to keep them out.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1347312395736264704?s=21

Synode

Zzippy wrote: »

Hard for the people defending the congress chamber to know that.

I agree and unfortunately this is what happens when guns are so easily accessible.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

I have been doubled over in laughter for ten minutes watching this.

Zzippy

Synode wrote: »

The way people are saying they were armed, you'd think they were all carrying guns. They weren't.

Hard for the people defending the congress chamber to know that.

Synode

Former Former Former wrote: »

This was not an innocent civilian or some poor misfortunate who was pulled over for some minor infraction. This was an armed mob storming the nation's parliament.

You barricade the door, you shout warnings, you wave your gun - but they keep coming. What else do you do next except shoot?

You take part in an armed insurrection against democracy, you have to accept some risk of getting hurt. No sympathy whatsoever.

The way people are saying they were armed, you'd think they were all carrying guns. They weren't.

kuang1

b.gud wrote: »

I did consider posting that one but I felt the context of the original was kind of needed to fully enjoy it. Glad you posted it though as it is brilliant

That's the most I've laughed in days!

b.gud

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

I did consider posting that one but I felt the context of the original was kind of needed to fully enjoy it. Glad you posted it though as it is brilliant

[Deleted User]

b.gud wrote: »

Revolutions can be tough

https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194?s=19

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

b.gud

Revolutions can be tough

https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194?s=19

Former Former Former

Synode wrote: »

I've seen a few vids too and it's a bit mad considering there was also cops behind the woman. She absolutely should not have been going through the window, but to shoot her is way over the top. Guess it was in line with the way the Cops over there act I suppose. I've always looked at America as a bit of a shíthole but my word, it really is going down the toilet since Trump took over

This was not an innocent civilian or some poor misfortunate who was pulled over for some minor infraction. This was an armed mob storming the nation's parliament.

You barricade the door, you shout warnings, you wave your gun - but they keep coming. What else do you do next except shoot?

You take part in an armed insurrection against democracy, you have to accept some risk of getting hurt. No sympathy whatsoever.

CatFromHue

ClanofLams wrote: »

Had a scan of the woman who was shot and died twitter’s page this morning, seriously disturbing reading, fully believed every conspiracy theory going. Hard to understand, guess some people are just especially vulnerable to that sort of stuff.

Some of the American media is almost propaganda.

I was over there a couple of years ago and after watching some of it remembering there's no way they're taking my gun and stopping me from exercising my rights. Then I remembered I don't have a gun, I'm not American, I'm there for less than a week, and I wasn't sure who they actually were!

As for why conspiracy theories are so popular you just have to remember there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was staged which led to more intervention in Vietnam, and Project MK Ultra did happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

FACECUTTR

Synode wrote: »

You sure? Looked like police to me

My apologies. I just watched 2 more videos from a different angle. Obviously those were much better than what I watched initially. Doesn't look great.

Clegg

Government have decided not to go ahead with in class lesson for Leaving Cert students. Classes will be online starting next Monday.

Can't see how Foley retains any credibility in this. This was honestly the first big decision she's had to make and it last barely 24 hours.