Blowfish wrote: » It's possible alright it was Mitch/Pence that drove it, but if you listen to how carefully crafted it was, it comes across to me though much more like it was his lawyers who essentially told him he has a not insignificant chance of ending up in jail unless he walks this situation back. In particular his statements of condemnation of the riot, plus explicitly stating about the 'smooth orderly and seemless transition of power' absolutely sounds like lawyers trying to walk him back from incitement charges. In addition, you can easily imagine Trump wanting to include that the election was stolen from him, with lawyers shooting it down and instead compromising on allowing him to say things like 'we pursued every legal avenue to contest the results', 'my only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote' and 'I continue to believe that we must reform our election laws' in order to portray it as nothing more than standard legal challenges rather than his usual claims.
Midlife wrote: » That statement from Trump is unlike anything he's ever said. No way did he just decide to come out and say that himself. I mean there was only 1 lie in it. I'd say Mitch has told him 'read this and then go away or we'll vote to impeach you in the next 2 weeks'.
Detritus70 wrote: » The question why a moderate sized mob could get inside the Capitol and might it have something to do with the fact that this was a white, right-wing crowd can be answered with a definite "Yes!". And the makeup of the crowd also indicates that America's security forces are rotten with right-wingers. Anyone who denies there is systematic racism in American law enforcement is a fool or complicit. I don't think the US should defund the police, but they should do a complete slash and burn, retrain anyone they keep and invest heavily in training recruits properly. And maybe not hire assholes in the first place.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'd be wary about that video of the Capitol policeman. The lack of context is problematic to my mind. To be clear, we don't know what time it was taken (and remember there was a rally before the Capitol was attacked) or where exactly. Or even if it was on the same day. Too many questions to be getting excited about it. Yet.
Carfacemandog wrote: » Police actively encouraging people to storm the Capitol. And then of course, taking selfies with the terrorists during the event: All of this happened less than 2 miles from where the very same police forces gassed members of the clergy for peacefully protesting outside their own church.
Detritus70 wrote: » The question why a moderate sized mob could get inside the Capitol and might it have something to do with the fact that this was a white, right-wing crowd can be answered with a definite "Yes!". And the makeup of the crowd also indicates that America's security forces are rotten with right-wingers. Anyone who denies there is systematic racism in American law enforcement is a fool or complicit.
beggars_bush wrote: » Has he single handedly destroyed the republican party?
kyote00 wrote: » Something very odd about that video ..... his facial and mouth movement are not natural It looks like a 'deep fake'
But Capitol Police are now facing a reckoning after appearing to feed the rioters’ perception that they would not be severely punished for their behavior, as one congressional staffer said — videos have circulated online appearing to show a Capitol police officer taking selfies with the protesters, and some Metro D.C. police officers were seen chatting and joking around with protesters who had breached the perimeter. “The fact is that it’s explicitly because they were white dudes with the support of the president that law enforcement basically did nothing,” the staffer said. One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote.
BonnieSituation wrote: » “I believe that the president has learned from this case... will be much more cautious in the future... The president has been impeached. That’s a pretty big lesson.”- Susan Collins Every GOPer needs to be reminded and hauled over coals for every utterance and incidence of enablement including the likes of Collins and Murkowski. But Hawley and Cruz need a good smack around the head after yesterday. That Hawley hadn't an ounce of contrition after what transpired shows what he's really made of.
Hurrache wrote: » It's not doxing.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » He's back, with a mealy mouthed speech, obviously has been told to stay on script.https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550?s=09
Tchaikovsky wrote: » Have the Trumps paid the pub tab in Doonbeg from 2019 yet?
aloyisious wrote: » A start could be made by identifying the candidate to the party, and not the other way around, as Trump did with expertise. I agree with you, he was able to hijack the GOP, with the help of Cruz, Graham and other GOP senators who did regular flips for him at vital moments for him. That party will have to go in for a deep post-mortem of what went wrong with their internal party rules. He was also assisted by the legal eagles within Washington, incl two Attorneys General, who chose to give him the benefit of their doubt whenever he engaged in questionable legal activities. Remove their ability to do so again. He didn't waste his time on TV shows honing skills playing others against each other all those years before playing on the national and world front.
Shelga wrote: » I’m seeing reports that a policeman injured in the carnage yesterday has died. RIP.
Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: » You know what? I've been brewing on this for a while, and I'd hoped that humanity would never come to this, but we can't be trusted with truly free speech. Social media, and indeed any website that purports to support 'balanced' debate needs to consider the worth of giving extremist views airtime. It's enabled groups to brainwash and to radicalise regular people into performing abhorrent acts of both thought and violence. As a technologist myself, I'm appalled at the craft I love being turned into such harmful vectors into people's humanity.
aloyisious wrote: » O.M.G. Dont look now. He's on TV condemning the Capitol take-over yesterday, saying those who broke into the Capitol building must be prosecuted.
