FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Link here Francie.https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/22/860947708/1-in-5-in-england-think-the-coronavirus-is-a-hoax?t=1610046118378

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh... there's figures on it? How many are shouting 'hoax' then? A few vocal FB idiots is all I see. But what 'sizable' is and how it excuses yet another chaotic mess of arrogance and wrongheaded thinking from the get go, will be interesting.

In England earlier in the year, May I think from memory, 1 in 5 or 20% thought it.
I don't know if there's been a survey here, but judging on behaviours and crowd gatherings a fairly large amount either think hoax or don't believe the seriousness of it.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That's fair enough too.
They're floundering in an attempt to keep some normals in a time when all needs shutting down.
That's coalitions for you, cohesiveness is hard to achieve in short term decision making.
Remember there's still a sizable amount of people shouting hoax.

Oh... there's figures on it? How many are shouting 'hoax' then? A few vocal FB idiots is all I see. But what 'sizable' is and how it excuses yet another chaotic mess of arrogance and wrongheaded thinking from the get go, will be interesting.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's worse....the u-turn has been made for them. Not in control.

That's fair enough too.
They're floundering in an attempt to keep some normals in a time when all needs shutting down.
That's coalitions for you, cohesiveness is hard to achieve in short term decision making.
Remember there's still a sizable amount of people shouting hoax.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

It's worse....the u-turn has been made for them. Not in control.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

Bish, are you a shinner now, have you never voted for FG? I'd suggest you're someone unhappy with this move. If the policies began to make you more unhappy than happy, might you vote elsewhere and if so would you judge that you had changed or FG?

Fann Linn

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

I said this the other day and I'll say it again, did none of their many advisors not think it might be wise for FFG to sound out the teachers first.

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I know. Complete disaster for Foley again. Another own goal. What were they thinking?

Maybe Leo or MM have a friend/not friend heads another union?

Cluedo Monopoly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open defiance from the ASTI now. A major PFO to the government. U-Turn imminent.

I know. Complete disaster for Foley again. Another own goal. What were they thinking?

Fann Linn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open defiance from the ASTI now. A major PFO to the government. U-Turn imminent.

The govt hadn't even the courtesy to ask the teachers first for their opinion. Not surprised they told Norma to f off.

Open defiance from the ASTI now. A major PFO to the government. U-Turn imminent.

Look I'm posting on Roderick O'Gorman. The first in my dastardly ongoing campaign against the man :rolleyes:

Poor man getting hammered on Drivetime for not consulting with Teachers/Unions/Parents on schools. Follow on from Foley yesterday.
Basically calling him out on having no plan and giving little notice.

McMurphy

RandomViewer wrote: »

So what happened between 1997 and 2011? FG couldn't even win an ugly politician competition

Spat me afternoon coffee over the screen at that analogy.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

15,000 vaccinated to date.
Plans are afoot to vaccinate Leaving Cert students also

Shocking slow progress.

RandomViewer

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Amazing all these lads seem to have all the answers and ideas when they have no responsibilities.

As soon as they get responsibility they disappear from sight.

So what happened between 1997 and 2011? FG couldn't even win an ugly politician competition

Finty Lemon

15,000 vaccinated to date.
Plans are afoot to vaccinate Leaving Cert students also

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Fair enough. But political party's follow a certain ethos, FGs has remained fiscally Conservative throughout.
People can change their point of view and that's fine, but that doesn't mean FG have changed much just people's opinion.
So Bowie and Cluedo have changed if that's the case, believing the spin that the left and SF are espousing.

With all due respect, (Siteserv, NAMA, IW, NCH, Spin unit, special advisors, leasing instead of building, crony deals) they didn't their hole.

Not to forget presiding over and exacerbating numerous record breaking societal crises while shrugging them off.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I don't believe either above posts, because none of what either of you post now was ever FG ethos, never.

Although true, you are correct regarding an end to cronyism, no more quangos, change the way we do business, end the scandal of hospital trolleys and so on...it was just blarney to fool people like myself.

It's FG's absolute arrogance in refusing to believe it's them that's their problem that will keep them a bitter third tier party IMO.

Bubbaclaus

Good FDI news and all credit to the IDA for keeping Ireland as a great place to locate business during a pandemic.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1347173956424495105?s=19

smurgen

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like he hasn't done the math and realised 135k is the max we can fully vaccinate by end of February with the supply of Pfizer vaccine. We are supply constrained, he seems to think its capacity.

Hopefully the Moderna vaccine will fast track plans. I believe it doesn't require the same low temperature the pfizer one does so should be a quicker roll out.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Thats it, what who presided over?

FF and FG...the power swap. Look at what they have presided over and look at the fall in their share of the vote. Makes sense to me why that share has fallen. Quite simply they left people behind in this country and they are voting for others.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Does it matter?

It's certainly not my fault or the fault of those who won't vote for them anymore.

And not the thread for it, but I call bull**** on the claim that these two haven't changed. Of course they have, look at what they have presided over.

Thats it, what who presided over?

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But it's you who's changed then Francie if that's, the case as with most voters.
All that's changed politically is that SF are out FFing FF now, the crash caused most of that.
FG haven changed so much or FF either.
Just a new party of more of the same. No large shift left.

Does it matter?

It's certainly not my fault or the fault of those who won't vote for them anymore.

And not the thread for it, but I call bull**** on the claim that these two haven't changed. Of course they have, look at what they have presided over.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's there in the voting stats Bish.

The combined vote of FF and FG has fallen from a high of 85% to mid 40's.

I am also one of those who lost faith.

But it's you who's changed then Francie if that's, the case as with most voters.
All that's changed politically is that SF are out FFing FF now, the crash caused most of that.
FG haven changed so much or FF either.
Just a new party of more of the same. No large shift left.