OOnegative wrote: » While I’m here I’ll wrap this **** show up for 2020. A year none of us will ever forget, Covid is a scurge and isn’t going anywhere. My running year to be truthfully honest was all about laziness and excuses, if I as lazy I had an excuse, if I had an excuse I was lazy. I caught Covid in March or so and quickly got over it, not something I would wish on anyone. I need a target to keep myself focused, as in a concrete race. Virtual or TT’s just don’t cut it for me I’m afraid. Life wise my wife has secured another job and we’ll be here for another 9 years at least. My new job is still enthralling and it’s something i look forward to even the 5.30am alarms. I’d like to say a big thank you to all who supported Little Blue Heroes in the 5k TT, it was a job I was once genuinely proud to represent and thank you all who donated. I honestly don’t know what 2021 holds for us all, I hope to see my Mam, Dad & 2 sisters who I haven’t seen since last July. I hope racing returns, I hope I can meet some of you again for a social able run, I hope.......... Happy Christmas to you all, let Santa be good to you.
Wubble Wubble wrote: » Congrats on Poster Of The Year B. Your efforts certainly don't go unnoticed by the regulars here. Enjoy a few crafty ones to celebrate.
OOnegative wrote: I had a very quiet Christmas, working 12 hour shifts at times and nothing was done to excess. As is the norm, Santa brought me a few books to read. The first i put my hands on was "Inside a Marathon" a focus on NAZ Elite athlete Scott Fauble and his Coach Ben Rosario. I read this in less that two days as i couldn't put it down, last time i got through a book that quick it was a picture one!! An intriguing read the whole way through, i took a few things from it:
Swashbuckler wrote: » The NAZ elite YouTube channel is well worth following. Some great videos on there. I've debated that whole easy running mantra with myself back and forth as I've seen some runners getting great success despite not following what I'd consider basic principles of running. I'm not sure there's a one size fits all. Seems to me some runners benefit from slightly faster easy runs. Fauble can afford to go that slow on his recovery days as he's probably running 120 mile weeks and three or four sessions. Different story for us amateurs especially those running less volume and sessions who may have less fatigue. But I don't know. I'll probably feel differently tomorrow. Lol
ariana` wrote: » I think this fits in with P's comment that the overall mileage and number of sessions that Fauble and elites in general are doing are a factor in their easy run pace.
Swashbuckler wrote: » Yeah in the example you use above B I think you're right. Certainly for a 19min 5k person. I'd disagree if it was a 16min 5k person. Personally I never have an easy day where my pace is sub 7.30min/mile. Even on here I dont see it that much but you follow a lot more logs than me.
adrian522 wrote: » Ego is a huge part of it, see it on Strava every day. "Ultra slow recovery run" at 7:xx per mile and the HR tells the real story.
OOnegative wrote: » Whatever concession I’d give to easy pace, nobody’s recovery pace should be in the 7.xx range!!
Dubh Geannain wrote: » My recovery jogs in the middle of and at the end of a session would easily fall above 8 min pace but if I go for a recovery run the following day I find it hard to run a pace of 8 min or slower. It usually seems to be in the 7:30-8 range. Perhaps I should just consider them easy as opposed to recovery runs.
OOnegative wrote: » We all can run slower N. Someone like yourself who doesn’t do huge mileage could probably get away with it though. As I said what I think isn’t necessarily correct, just my view on things. Your not broken anyway so no need to fix.
skyblue46 wrote: » I get you on the 'if its not broken' line of thought but you were right in an earlier post where you pointed out that the benefits derived from a session is largely dependent on giving the body the chance to adapt. But to be fair its probably like the S&C question on P's log...none of us (well perhaps one) do everything right to maximise our performance mainly because this is a hobby. Whether its pints/wine/cider, chocolate/trifle/crisps, lack of S&C or running easy/post session days too hard there are so many things we could do better.....if we wanted to suck the enjoyment from it.
OOnegative wrote: » Say a lay runner like any of us here does a standard week of two sessions, long run and rest easy pace. They’re a 19min 5k person. Say this runner nails his sessions in the appropriate range for his race times but then goes out and runs his easy stuff sub 7.30min pace. Are they gaining anything by running their easy pace this fast? I think running there easy pace this fast has a negative effect on the training they have done as they are not giving the body enough time to recover and let the sessions take effect. I think lads/ladies could gain a lot more fitness wise if they slowed down a tad on easy days(include myself in this at times). Of course ego comes into play with some people but that’s a different discussion. That’s the way I view it anyway and not for one minute am I claiming I am correct, many many ways to skin a cat
Duanington wrote: » I actually think there is a time and a place for this "easy" runs that are sub 7.30 in between sessions, not all year around and not for everyone but that's probably the problem you're referring to, a lot of people run at that pace because they can, not because they should.
