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swiwi_ wrote: »

I reckon there’s a chance the republicans will do something like declare Trump unfit and make pence president. Not sure if possible. Can’t see anyone trying to debate overturning the election result. Pence has put Biden and Harris on his Twitter header.

No, the image is of Pence and his own wife

swiwi_

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

No, the image is of Pence and his own wife

Sure does a good impersonation. But at closer look you’re right.

Stheno

swiwi_ wrote: »

I reckon there’s a chance the republicans will do something like declare Trump unfit and make pence president. Not sure if possible. Can’t see anyone trying to debate overturning the election result. Pence has put Biden and Harris on his Twitter header.

I think there is specific legislation for this exact situation

sydthebeat

Synode

sydthebeat wrote: »

I've been saying that for months. As things keep getting worse :pac:

irishbucsfan

Stheno wrote: »

I think there is specific legislation for this exact situation

The 25th amendment or impeachment.

25th amendment would require Pence to declare him unfit for office and then would require a bunch of others to agree with him.

Impeachment would require a majority of both houses of congress. Not really sure either are realistic.

Ilhan Omar is drawing up articles of impeachment currently but I'm not sure how they could ever find the votes in the current senate for that.

Podge_irl

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ilhan Omar is drawing up articles of impeachment currently but I'm not sure how they could ever find the votes in the current senate for that.

Not beyond the bounds of possibility at this stage, but agree it is very unlikely still. It has moved from impossible to unlikely though.

[Deleted User]

In other news, there's a kids show about a man with a giant penis in Denmark

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/john-dillermand-denmark-launches-childrens-tv-show-man-giant-penis

Squidgy Black

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1346931235176783873?s=20

They literally just let them walk on through.

Suppose it'd make for some awkward family dinners if they had to show any force.

irishbucsfan

Trump could actually pardon all these people, unless they are charged with treason

Stheno

I did a doubletake when I heard @Donie

sydthebeat

Trump banned from twitter for 12 hours....

He'll blow his toupee sky high

Zzippy

sydthebeat wrote: »

Trump banned from twitter for 12 hours....

He'll blow his toupee sky high

That it took this for them to finally do something, and that it's only for 12 hours, tells you everything you need to know that Twitter doesn't give a fvck about the damage done on their platform.

Stheno

Zzippy wrote: »

That it took this for them to finally do something, and that it's only for 12 hours, tells you everything you need to know that Twitter doesn't give a fvck about the damage done on their platform.

He has to retract the two tweets or he has a permanent ban

Zzippy

Stheno wrote: »

He has to retract the two tweets or he has a permanent ban

I would *love* to have been a fly on the wall when he was told that!

OldRio

irishbucsfan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1346896852604608515?s=20

Tony Holohan has said they did not

Will the government ever learn?

dregin

OldRio wrote: »

Will the government ever learn?

No. Next!

errlloyd

A lot of countries with this level of malfunction are newly formed democracies or countries with years of grossly underperforming economics and lacking in public infrastructure. Sometimes they are countries that had hastily drawn up constitutional structures that didn't have the checks and balances required to prevent political malfunction.

What is the USA's excuse? They're literally coming to the end of 10 or 11 years of straight economic growth. They're the wealthiest country in the world and have been for a century. They are one of the most mature democracies and have strong (possibly too strong) checks and balances within their political system. They have a relatively free media.

aloooof

OldRio wrote: »

Will the government ever learn?

Assuming they asked NPHET is a pretty low bar, and they didn't even meet that.

UK epidemiologist tweeted the following today, it's pretty worrying.

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1347128814976053249

molloyjh

errlloyd wrote: »

A lot of countries with this level of malfunction are newly formed democracies or countries with years of grossly underperforming economics and lacking in public infrastructure. Sometimes they are countries that had hastily drawn up constitutional structures that didn't have the checks and balances required to prevent political malfunction.

What is the USA's excuse? They're literally coming to the end of 10 or 11 years of straight economic growth. They're the wealthiest country in the world and have been for a century. They are one of the most mature democracies and have strong (possibly too strong) checks and balances within their political system. They have a relatively free media.

Right now their political system relies heavily on polarisation. Focus on the other side so much you're guaranteed to vote for us. It allows a certain amount of certainty over where seats will go and who will have power and where, with only small variations in fortunes from election to election.

Add to that a terrible education system, a media that sells first and informs, well, somewhere way down the list, and a crazy obsession with personal wealth and gain. Throw in a few guns and a racial issue and you've got yourself a powder keg. What could possibly go wrong.

[Deleted User]

have ye seen the video of the woman getting shot in the capitol buildings? what the hell possesses someone to try to get passed a barricade and get passed a man pointing a gun at you?

[Deleted User]

I dunno, there might not be consequences over this but I think a line has been crossed over the last 24 hours. Two explosive devices found and 4 people dead, one shot dead inside the capital building. Imagine someone being shot in the Dail?

It wouldn't surprise me if nothing happens to be honest, but I do think we're in new territory here. This is a terrible look for America to be projecting around the world.

sydthebeat

it was an insurrection.... and pathetic faile done... but an insurrection none the less

these were armed terrorists, who had pipe bombs, molotov cocktails and machine guns

how they were allowed to actually walk through the barriers is beyond me.... complete lack of adequate security planning..

oh and Trump should be 25ed immediately

molloyjh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dunno, there might not be consequences over this but I think a line has been crossed over the last 24 hours. Two explosive devices found and 4 people dead, one shot dead inside the capital building. Imagine someone being shot in the Dail?

It wouldn't surprise me if nothing happens to be honest, but I do think we're in new territory here. This is a terrible look for America to be projecting around the world.

Personal ambition doesn't care about that stuff. Do you think Ted Cruz will suddenly see the error of his ways, much less Don and his sons? And as long as they are there and allowed pedal their crap, people over there will suck it up.

Over 370,000 people have died in the US because of C19. That wasn't a wake up call. Trump still got more votes than any other previous candidate ever. If hundreds of thousands dead didn't open peoples eyes, then a few broken windows, stolen mail, a little bit of disrespect and 4 strangers deaths (3 of which were something like heart attacks from the sounds of it as opposed to direct action by authorities) aren't going to either.

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

Personal ambition doesn't care about that stuff. Do you think Ted Cruz will suddenly see the error of his ways, much less Don and his sons? And as long as they are there and allowed pedal their crap, people over there will suck it up.

Over 370,000 people have died in the US because of C19. That wasn't a wake up call. Trump still got more votes than any other previous candidate ever. If hundreds of thousands dead didn't open peoples eyes, then a few broken windows, stolen mail, a little bit of disrespect and 4 strangers deaths (3 of which were something like heart attacks from the sounds of it as opposed to direct action by authorities) aren't going to either.

I think people can dismiss responsibility for the virus without having to engage too much in mental gymnastics but for a culture that worships freedom and democracy and sees America as a world leader in that regards I think the attempted coup is going to be quite jarring. Some of the loudest criticisms are coming from Republicans too.

Again - I doubt there will be much by way of consequences but this does feel different to previous scandals.

irishbucsfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people can dismiss responsibility for the virus without having to engage too much in mental gymnastics but for a culture that worships freedom and democracy and sees America as a world leader in that regards I think the attempted coup is going to be quite jarring. Some of the loudest criticisms are coming from Republicans too.

Again - I doubt there will be much by way of consequences but this does feel different to previous scandals.

6/10 Republican voters don’t see it as a threat and nearly half support the storming of the capital building according to an overnight YouGov poll.

So I don’t think they worship democracy so much any more

irishbucsfan

I think an interesting test of their love of democracy would be to field the question: Would you support a life appointment for Donald Trump

I think you’d see considerable support for that amongst republicans

swiwi_

Who reckons trump will crack? If he wants to use Twitter he is obliged to remove his last 2 tweets before the ban...

molloyjh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people can dismiss responsibility for the virus without having to engage too much in mental gymnastics but for a culture that worships freedom and democracy and sees America as a world leader in that regards I think the attempted coup is going to be quite jarring. Some of the loudest criticisms are coming from Republicans too.

Again - I doubt there will be much by way of consequences but this does feel different to previous scandals.

We've seen too many "last straws" at this stage. I dont believe for a second that this is any more than another false dawn. People have been too riled up, things like QAnon have taken too much hold, there are too many extremist or fringe groups that can be rallied together. We've spent the last 5-6 years saying "surely now they'll see sense".

From the abuse of the disabled, the sexual assaults, the porn star, the non stop firings from the White House, the Russian thing, the BLM clashes, the C19 pandemic, the f-ing disinfectant, the support of white supremacist groups, the refusal to admit defeat and subsequent undermining of the entire American democratic system. All these things and more were lines that we kept seeing getting pushed and supporters just power on through. We expected so many of them to put a halt to the cult. To turn the moderates back. To put an end to the crazy. The people Trump has following him do not see these lines. If they did they wouldn't have occupied Gov buildings.

The real line will come when the Republican party truly begins to fall apart. If Trump decides to continue this nonsense after he leaves office and actually seek reelection in 4 years then that may cause enough of a split in the Republican party to force them to change. Lets not forget that there were still 138 members of Congress who voted in support of the Pennsylvania objection after what happened yesterday. Its only when faced with ruin that the party will be forced to change. Off the back of Trump getting so many votes, the self interest brigade will happily ride on those contails in the hope it will bring them what they crave. And as long as they do, they'll have enough of the public to support them.

molloyjh

swiwi_ wrote: »

Who reckons trump will crack? If he wants to use Twitter he is obliged to remove his last 2 tweets before the ban...

He has removed them. Attention is king.