FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cos, it’s only now being licensed.

So administration planning had to be done afterwards?

smurgen wrote: »

Serious question. Why is the infrastructure for the vaccine only being put together now?

Cos, it’s only now being licensed.

Serious question. Why is the infrastructure for the vaccine only being put together now?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“People” have been calling for lots of things. Doesn’t mean that it’s all doable. No one could predict the pandemic lasting this long.

They're doing it so it was clearly doable.

Suckit wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Leo said something in one of his Mean Girls/Terminator/Lord of the Rings etc., speeches mentioning that the pandemic was here for the foreseeable future and he also said the virus was here to stay.

I believe he said he expected a vaccine in Q1 too. How they weren't prepared to roll it out is beyond me.

golfball37

Niall Collins slip of tongue on prime time said schools would be closed for 6 weeks and then when challenged claims he said 3 weeks. If they close for 6 we can’t believe anything anymore.

Suckit

I'm pretty sure Leo said something in one of his Mean Girls/Terminator/Lord of the Rings etc., speeches mentioning that the pandemic was here for the foreseeable future and he also said the virus was here to stay.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“People” have been calling for lots of things. Doesn’t mean that it’s all doable. No one could predict the pandemic lasting this long.

Everybody knew it would get way worse in the winter months for obvious reasons. The Irish hospitals can barely cope pre Covid because of decades of FFG mismanagement.

jmcc

Deleted User wrote: »

No one could predict the pandemic lasting this long.

Rubbish. The FFG government is a veritable clown college of mediocrities.

Regards...jmcc

smurgen wrote: »

People have been calling for that and more for months. Of course the numbskulls dismissed it because it was proposed by leftist parties!

“People” have been calling for lots of things. Doesn’t mean that it’s all doable. No one could predict the pandemic lasting this long.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

People have been calling for that and more for months. Of course the numbskulls dismissed it because it was proposed by leftist parties!

James Brown

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Excuses excuses from the FFG crew but the public know they hadn't done any in depth logistical planning and now they look like they are making it up on the fly. Is anyone accountable anymore?

Nope. As has been made clear by the FF/FG lobby for the previous FG/FF government, nobody in government is responsible for anything. Even a (Black &) Tanaiste making comments is only to be regarded as a private citizen just shooting the ****.

Josepha Madigan must be feeling pretty stupid today.

Just yesterday she said the schools were safe and that 'schools are not closed, holidays were extended for 3 days'.

Today her entire Radio 1 conversation is utterly obsolete. Why did she go on the show at all???

She is the Minister of State for Special Education ffs. Not a clue.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem here is the litigation around medical mishaps. We have had courts giving huge payouts under dubious assignment of fault. We have had people on here calling for all those who got cervical cancer to get multi-million payouts without fault being proved.

All of that adds up into a problem of ensuring that consent is properly given and the risks understood. As for doing it in advance, answer me this, how can someone give consent for something unknown. The vaccine had to be available first in order for informed consent to be given. If you don't even know the name of the vaccine, then how can you give informed consent? Somebody who even thought about the problem for more than 10 seconds would have realised that.

I'll take that as anecdotal.

Do you think the ingredients will be on the consent form? Have you ever signed such a thing? Generally it's a boiler plate giving up any rights to hold [insert name] responsible. I think you even sign one getting a tattoo ffs. Surely somebody scrambling to run defense could have thought of something better. Batteries in the wireless mouse they were thinking of using running low, Microsoft Office licence expired or the like?

Tell me this, how detailed do you think these consent forms are? Will people be hiring legal council?

Government buildings wrote: »

I think Fianna Fail is finished, regardless of who is leading the party.

All the parties in Ireland are basically left-wing now, some more so than the others.

The only hope for FF is for them to become a niche party supporting right wing policies.

I doubt this will happen.

End of the road for FF.

The parties of the Left spend too much time fighting amongst themselves, falling out, regrouping, renaming themselves to ever agree to govern.

Government buildings

I think Fianna Fail is finished, regardless of who is leading the party.

All the parties in Ireland are basically left-wing now, some more so than the others.

The only hope for FF is for them to become a niche party supporting right wing policies.

I doubt this will happen.

End of the road for FF.

smurgen wrote: »

Negative testing for airport travel 9/10 months too late.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1346551951803248640?s=19

Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

Negative testing for airport travel 9/10 months too late.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1346551951803248640?s=19

smurgen wrote: »

I'm sure this could have been done in the previous 10 months.

Was there a vaccination available 10 months ago?

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

I'm sure this could have been done in the previous 10 months.

It's probably the (elderly) people's fault, dontcha know?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In the case of nursing homes, residents have to have the HSE leaflet, as well as the consent form read out to them individually, before they or a responsible person acting on their behalf, signs. Now, I don’t wish to make little of the elderly, but from personal experience, they take these forms seriously and will more than likely have questions to be answered. This takes more time than pressing a button on a computer.

I'm sure this could have been done in the previous 10 months.

smurgen wrote: »

There's standard legal templates with wording that are used. These can be prepared well in advance and then updated quickly when the specific details are available.

In the case of nursing homes, residents have to have the HSE leaflet, as well as the consent form read out to them individually, before they or a responsible person acting on their behalf, signs. Now, I don’t wish to make little of the elderly, but from personal experience, they take these forms seriously and will more than likely have questions to be answered. This takes more time than pressing a button on a computer.

blanch152 wrote: »

We have had people on here calling for all those who got cervical cancer to get multi-million payouts without fault being proved.

Please elaborate. Which victim did not deserve compensation?

Excuses excuses from the FFG crew but the public know they hadn't done any in depth logistical planning and now they look like they are making it up on the fly. Is anyone accountable anymore?