shotgunmcos wrote: » Welcome to logs, again. Pretty similar situation. The job pretty much the same, the 2 small kids, the niggles. Main differences, you are coached and you are fast. Hope we get to run together in 21. Happy you are logging P. What time are ye going for in that 10m TT?
OOnegative wrote: » Surprised to see this, did you get permission?? Best of luck with the new log P, keep it updated as regularly as you can.
BeginnerRunner wrote: » "Early in 2020 I made the wise move of going back to being coached by KSU. One thing I have learned for sure is that his style of coaching suits me as a runner. Plenty to elaborate there but might save that for a separate post if people are interested. " Oh yes!! Please elaborate. Am looking forward to this
Swashbuckler wrote: » Yeah no problem. There's a number of factors really. I should note that I'm not sure how much his coaching style alters for each of his athletes. I can only speak to his style with me, more specifically since we rejoined forces last year! Hopefully he doesn't mind me speaking about this on here but I figure it might give some food for thought for people currently being coached or considering it. 1. Very sensible approach targeting long term consistency rather than short term aggressive gains. Any time I've gone aggressive (self trained) I've been injured. 2. Usually erring on the conservative side of pace ranges meaning I dont force my sessions. One of the best lessons i've learned is to feel the session rather than chase the watch. I didn't learn that by accident. Its partly down to coaching and also down to self awareness of my style as a runner. I need to feel the effort rather than know the data. 3. The style of the sessions is different to what you'll see a lot of people doing. The focus is on maintaining form throughout, so more often than not you'll see sessions split into segments rather than long continuous runs. For example its rare id run 40mins at LT as form would start to go and effort level/HR would start to drift meaning its no longer LT. That's just one example. I rarely, if ever, feel flogged at the end of a session. 4. Takes into account my own physiology, injury history, lifestyle/stresses and adjusts training accordingly. For example, you wont have seen me run many hill sessions this past year due to my lower cross issues in the past. You'll also see training scaled back slightly when work/life ramps. I've never been good at doing that myself when self trained. 5. The style of the sessions really suits me. I follow a lot of logs and I havent often seen a training style/plan that I would prefer. 6. Builds volume/intensity slowly. Something I cant seem to do right myself. 7. Values the aerobic base building highly. I have underestimated that when self trained. The past year has showed me you can make massive gains by having a focus on a big base building block. You'll see Duanington following a similar approach currently in his log. Thats the jist of the main things I can think of at the moment.
Lambay island wrote: » Let's say we in a situation where all races are on in the final 3rd of the year. Do you think the Marathon could be an autumn 2021 goer for you? You will have the best part of a really solid 2 years of base. You would be in perfect shape to switch to a KSU planned marathon training and make hay while the sun shines etc . Just throwing it out there
Swashbuckler wrote: » I tend not to do well when I have a big target in mind. Its just how I'm wired. It ends up adding to work/life stresses. I've always struggled balancing a stressful job, parenting two kids under three, training etc. Its a hard one to explain but part of the reason I've done so well this past year is that there was no races to think about. It was completely taken out of my hands and I could just tip away and trust the process. I'm very driven when it comes to doing well at what I do whether it be running/work/parenting. I just know a marathon target will really take a lot of my energy and focus so I need to be in a good place mentally to give it my all. Sorry if that sounds OTT, it just seems to be the way I'm wired. Again, maybe im being naive and marathon training wouldn't be all that different to what I'm doing now.
BeginnerRunner wrote: » 1,000,000% I was the exact same when lifting competitively. Enjoy the training much more than the competing. Never got anything other than burned out, stressed and injured from comp prep cycles.
Swashbuckler wrote: » That being said, my best result racewise was a targeted Charleville HM. But in hindsight I was a ball of stress in many ways, not just related to running. Im not sure I would have handled 2020 as well as I did if i had been racing + working + parenting. Some people take a lot of this stuff in their stride. Unfortunately I'm not one of those people!
Laineyfrecks wrote: » I get what you are saying completely, it is all a balancing act & everyone is doing it their way, finding what works best for them! Have you just never fancied running a marathon? Would you feel pressure with picking a target? Maybe just giving the training a go & not having the pressure of a target would suit you better? Obviously when we decide to race we have an idea in our heads of what we think we should run, there doesn't need to be constant pressure put on yourself, but absolutely nothing wrong with it just not being a distance for you.
Swashbuckler wrote: » I think when I eventually bite the bullet and run one I'll realise that it was exactly the distance for me.
Swashbuckler wrote: » Yeah its a fair question. I think it would depend on a few factors at the time. Whether work/life balance is ok. What the racing landscape looks like. A socially distanced marathon isnt all that different to a TT for me in terms of motivation. Maybe I'm being naive there.I tend not to do well when I have a big target in mind. Its just how I'm wired. It ends up adding to work/life stresses. I've always struggled balancing a stressful job, parenting two kids under three, training etc. Its a hard one to explain but part of the reason I've done so well this past year is that there was no races to think about. It was completely taken out of my hands and I could just tip away and trust the process. I'm very driven when it comes to doing well at what I do whether it be running/work/parenting. I just know a marathon target will really take a lot of my energy and focus so I need to be in a good place mentally to give it my all. Sorry if that sounds OTT, it just seems to be the way I'm wired. Again, maybe im being naive and marathon training wouldn't be all that different to what I'm doing now. So thats my long winded answer to your very simple question I was considering targeting a marathon before Covid kicked in but we all get crazy notions and plans when we're returning from injury. My fear back then was if I dont do it now then I'll get injured again and never bloody do one. Then I went back to being coached and those fears have gone. Long term my dream is still low 30's for the 10k rather than a good marathon.......but that could change
Annie get your Run wrote: » Not OTT at all, although way out of your league in terms of fitness etc..... Good to see you back logging, there's lots for the rest of us to learn in here.
Swashbuckler wrote: » I think when I eventually bite the bullet and run one I'll realise that it was exactly the distance for me. I have been more geared towards the shorter stuff for a few reasons; 1. I used to be fascinated by the 5k/10k races at the major events like Olympics/World Championships. Me and my Dad loved them. They were always the huge draw for me. 2. I always felt like the shorter races were special in that my wife and little girl could come support and it was all done and dusted in <40mins. It was always low impact on family time if you get me. 3. Fear of injury/recovery. Marathon training is hard. Its harder than the shorter stuff and the recovery sounds awful. I hate the thoughts of having to take two weeks off to recover from a 26.1 mile battering As for lowering the target, if I run one it sure as hell will be my best attempt (don't quote me on that). I couldn't handle AMK pointing out that i'm 20mins slower than him :D:D
shotgunmcos wrote: » Fitness is hugely subjective and relative to movement, discipline, distance etc... P can run a faster 5 or 10k than you, but you are in no means out of anyones league in terms of fitness. P also runs faster than Enduro. Might be a debate who is fitter there. Every single person who logs on the forum are fit. From something I heard recently... comparison is the thief of joy :pac:
Annie get your Run wrote: » Not OTT at all, although way out of your league in terms of fitness etc, that's exactly what happened to me with Rotterdam and it landed me in a fine mess for 4 years with ill health so don't underestimate the effects that added stress can have. I'm also thoroughly enjoying not having any races on and trying to make the most of that by training smart between now and then. Good to see you back logging, there's lots for the rest of us to learn in here.
shotgunmcos wrote: » Fitness is hugely subjective and relative to movement, discipline, distance etc... P can run a faster 5 or 10k than you, but you are in no means out of anyones league in terms of fitness. P also runs faster than Enduro. Might be a debate who is fitter there. Every single person who logs on the forum are fit. From something I heard recently... comparison is the thief of joy :pac: I digress. Great that you are back logging P and from the work/life stresses POV I thinking would be good for us to run together at least once a month. I could meet you half way, we meander a loop of the NCR or a figure 8 of the bridges and head back to our families on each side of town
ThebitterLemon wrote: » Ffs! Who’ll be next to do a Larazus!!!! Best of luck with it TbL
Swashbuckler wrote: » Great isn't it! Felt like it was time to step up and contribute and stop leaving others carry the forum!
Swashbuckler wrote: » 3. No weights/yoga/strength and conditioning. I just don't have the time these days..... Thanks for reading.