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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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Bubbaclaus

We've vaccinated more than our 3 nearest EU neighbours (France, Belgium, Netherlands) combined. Any issue with slow rollout of vaccines is clearly not Irish specific and can be seen across the EU.

Cluedo Monopoly

Bowie wrote: »

So there's delays in vaccinating because of 'a number of reasons'. We know the main one they mention is 'consent'. This involves the patient or their ward signing a form consenting to taking the vaccine. Ireland seems to be the only country citing this as a block to quicker roll out.
My question is from March of last year didn't they know at some point, the hope was to roll out a vaccine? Couldn't we have started this prior to vaccine approval? On that note, did they wake up one day very recently and turn on their Netscape/Windows 95 system and realise it wasn't fit for purpose?

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

Does Lotus 1-2-3 work on Netscape/Windows 95 because the numbers have skyrocketed to 4 figures?

Our FFG government is only ever reactive.

PearseCork92

Deleted User wrote: »

You obviously don’t keep an eye on things in the uk. The hoops retired medical professionals have to go through in order to give the vaccine is unbelievable. Every country has similar problems. The main one being that people are ignoring the fact that Covid is around and that they should be doing everything possible to avoid it.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

They do? UK, Iceland, Bahrain, the US and above all Israel are out of the gates much much faster with vaccination.

Eastern countries like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan given their negligible rates can take their sweet time but expect them to blow past laggard countries once they press the go button. I know Korea for instance has deliberately adopted a sit back and wait strategy with vaccinations. I don't think we're adopting a sit back and wait stance, we're just not organised to the same extent.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

You obviously don’t keep an eye on things in the uk. The hoops retired medical professionals have to go through in order to give the vaccine is unbelievable. Every country has similar problems. The main one being that people are ignoring the fact that Covid is around and that they should be doing everything possible to avoid it.

Yet they've managed to begin some weeks ago.

Again, could they not have began the process several months ago?
Personally pointing 'over there' or 'at them' who may or may not be even worse doesn't do it for me Maryanne. We spent too long settling for sub par people.
Claiming to know worse doesn't stop poor from being poor.

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Bowie wrote: »

So there's delays in vaccinating because of 'a number of reasons'. We know the main one they mention is 'consent'. This involves the patient or their ward signing a form consenting to taking the vaccine. Ireland seems to be the only country citing this as a block to quicker roll out.
My question is from March of last year didn't they know at some point, the hope was to roll out a vaccine? Couldn't we have started this prior to vaccine approval? On that note, did they wake up one day very recently and turn on their Netscape/Windows 95 system and realise it wasn't fit for purpose?

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

You obviously don’t keep an eye on things in the uk. The hoops retired medical professionals have to go through in order to give the vaccine is unbelievable. Every country has similar problems. The main one being that people are ignoring the fact that Covid is around and that they should be doing everything possible to avoid it.

yagan

Bowie wrote: »

So there's delays in vaccinating because of 'a number of reasons'. We know the main one they mention is 'consent'. This involves the patient or their ward signing a form consenting to taking the vaccine. Ireland seems to be the only country citing this as a block to quicker roll out.
My question is from March of last year didn't they know at some point, the hope was to roll out a vaccine? Couldn't we have started this prior to approval?

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

Sweden were faffing about lockdowns being unconstitutional and any amendment would take months to legally rectify, but that's no longer a concern since their hospitals got swamped.

James Brown

So there's delays in vaccinating because of 'a number of reasons'. We know the main one they mention is 'consent'. This involves the patient or their ward signing a form consenting to taking the vaccine. Ireland seems to be the only country citing this as a block to quicker roll out.
My question is from March of last year didn't they know at some point, the hope was to roll out a vaccine? Couldn't we have started this prior to vaccine approval? On that note, did they wake up one day very recently and turn on their Netscape/Windows 95 system and realise it wasn't fit for purpose?

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

yagan

This incoming lockdown was entirely avoidable, FFG/Greens chose to take a chance against medical recommendations and the cost in human life and long term healthcare for Covid cases dwarfs the xmas income like a colossus.

I'm gone past being angry as there's no where to channel it now, but when the danger is passed I will never let any FFG/Greens defender forget their manslaughter.

James Brown

Triangle wrote: »

Have to laugh at this - which budget were you watching the 2019?

Cheers, I needed a good laugh.

Slim chance the often outraged over little always found wanting government parties will comment on or look into this obvious major flaw and waste of millions. If they thought it might damage the shinners they'd be all over it.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

6k cases in a day now I see - chances of you not being a close contact with a positive case somewhere along the line now is surely declining every day?

How do we get this genie back in the lamp?

Looking like schools won't be back now until Feb (proper order imo) but I think there's more Draconian measures on the way - and I think they're needed.

I will say something though, what's the point in the schools remaining closed when I travel through my local village or town, and there's hordes of school kids freely mixing with each other anyway? If they want this thing back under control - they need to start enforcing harsher measures to stop this happening.

When the Tanaiste publicly attacks the standing of the appointed health experts I am not sure how you win back the confidence of the public.
Perhaps those lauding the Tanaiste might have some ideas.

Triangle

Bowie wrote: »

I'm sure the fiscally conservative junior government party

Have to laugh at this - which budget were you watching the 2019?

Cheers, I needed a good laugh.

Floppybits

McMurphy wrote: »

I will say something though, what's the point in the schools remaining closed when I travel through my local village or town, and there's hordes of school kids freely mixing with each other anyway? If they want this thing back under control - they need to start enforcing harsher measures to stop this happening.

I have seen the same where I am, why keep the schools closed when the kids/teens are just going to be out on the street mixing with each other or going in and out of each others houses. It was the same in the first lockdown as well gangs of kids/teenagers hanging around together.

McMurphy

6k cases in a day now I see - chances of you not being a close contact with a positive case somewhere along the line now is surely declining every day?

How do we get this genie back in the lamp?

Looking like schools won't be back now until Feb (proper order imo) but I think there's more Draconian measures on the way - and I think they're needed.

I will say something though, what's the point in the schools remaining closed when I travel through my local village or town, and there's hordes of school kids freely mixing with each other anyway? If they want this thing back under control - they need to start enforcing harsher measures to stop this happening.

Bannasidhe

blanch152 wrote: »

Will you get up the yard with your made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts.

You can't be taken seriously with a post like that. I never said that people I don't agree with are not normal, but some politicians, like Brid Smith, don't think in the way that normal people do. If that makes you uncomfortable, so be it.

I ask again - who are these "normal" people?
How are they defined?
"doesn't think like Brid Smith" seems a very nebulous definition - who do they think like then? Since we are using elected members of the Dáil as the benchmark tell me which TD typifies "normal people"?

Bishop of hope

Treseemme. wrote: »

Crazy Decision

Absolute lunacy this

Makes me shamed to be irish!

The decision to close the schools?

Treseemme.

Crazy Decision

Absolute lunacy this

Makes me shamed to be irish!

Cluedo Monopoly

smurgen wrote: »

No reason at all lol.

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1346093910469320705?s=19

Nice one Joseph...not a clue.

Coalition of communication chaos is back!!

Everybody knew the schools would not reopen on 11th.

Cluedo Monopoly

FFG have come back to work and already the chaos is starting.
You have to hand it them, they do make lockdown go a lot faster

As John McGuinness FF TD said you have to compliment the "Cabinet on its consistency on making a balls of things every week"

I think they need to take guidance from the Ronan Keating song - "You say it best when you say nothing at all"

PearseCork92

Bowie wrote: »

You have not refuted my post. My comment is regarding classing people as 'not normal' because their opinion differs with yours.
The habit of classifying people as not normal or different because their opinions may differ is arrogant and dismissive.
You've a well recorded posting history on claiming people you disagree with are not 'normal'. I was commenting on that. You specifying 'some' is neither here nor there.

As for "made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts." that's your forte.

He's #notanormalposter

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Will you get up the yard with your made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts.

You can't be taken seriously with a post like that. I never said that people I don't agree with are not normal, but some politicians, like Brid Smith, don't think in the way that normal people do. If that makes you uncomfortable, so be it.

You have not refuted my post. My comment is regarding classing people as 'not normal' because their opinion differs with yours.
The habit of classifying people as not normal or different because their opinions may differ is arrogant and dismissive.
You've a well recorded posting history on claiming people you disagree with are not 'normal'. I was commenting on that. You specifying 'some' is neither here nor there.

As for "made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts." that's your forte.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Will you get up the yard with your made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts.

You can't be taken seriously with a post like that. I never said that people I don't agree with are not normal, but some politicians, like Brid Smith, don't think in the way that normal people do. If that makes you uncomfortable, so be it.

Like Joesepha Madigan. "Schools aren't closed they're just not open" lol. No wonder Maria Bailey never had a chance.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

The idea that people who don't agree with you are 'not normal' is a very disrespectful and low brand of thinking we've seen become the norm in Republican GOP/FG circles.

Will you get up the yard with your made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts.

You can't be taken seriously with a post like that. I never said that people I don't agree with are not normal, but some politicians, like Brid Smith, don't think in the way that normal people do. If that makes you uncomfortable, so be it.

James Brown

yagan wrote: »

I wonder if FGers are back checking their whatsapp groups to cover their tracks.

Someone looked at this iffy music promoters tender and decided to give him millions of tax payer money. It needs to be investigated.
I'm sure the fiscally conservative junior government party are all over it....

yagan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A thread on the guy that got the 14m contract for dodgy ventilators mentioned earlier in this thread. He's a fantastic success story.

https://twitter.com/FancyVegasPro/status/1346022394616549377

I wonder if FGers are back checking their whatsapp groups to cover their tracks.

Brendan Bendar

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Who's you lot?

Are you hallucinating SF again? Time to take your meds.

You heard me, punchy......:D

PearseCork92

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Heh heh... Pearsie, anyone would think you lot are in power.

Roaring and shouting but achieving nothing.

Very easy to ‘call’ for everything but have no interest in who pays.

Pearsie, I’m afraid you lot have no idea how to run a country and the issues and problems involved.

Your m.o. is to try to horse money at every problem without any regard for who foots the bill.

That auld bull won’t convince anyone with a lick of sense.

And you can nail that one down, shaft.

Who's you lot?

Are you hallucinating SF again? Time to take your meds.

Brendan Bendar

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Have to laugh at FG gazing at their shoes feeling sorry for themselves thinking they are getting bullied with their obnoxiousness over the last few years.

Getting held to account and outboxed on governance and administration failures is part and parcel of democracy, and they're struggling badly with that reality.

Heh heh... Pearsie, anyone would think you lot are in power.

Roaring and shouting but achieving nothing.

Very easy to ‘call’ for everything but have no interest in who pays.

Pearsie, I’m afraid you lot have no idea how to run a country and the issues and problems involved.

Your m.o. is to try to horse money at every problem without any regard for who foots the bill.

That auld bull won’t convince anyone with a lick of sense.

And you can nail that one down, shaft.

FrancieBrady

A thread on the guy that got the 14m contract for dodgy ventilators mentioned earlier in this thread. He's a fantastic success story.

https://twitter.com/FancyVegasPro/status/1346022394616549377

PearseCork92

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yeah..... ... anyone who can stand up to the Shinners is immediately targeted by the bots as ‘arrogant’, so O’Reilly and Cullinane and O ‘Brioin and their fellow travelers could trample all over them.

Stay ‘arrogant’ folks, you will need to stay arrogant and feisty to stifle this lot and scupper their game plan.

Stand up and be counted and don’t back down and be browbeaten by these bullies.

Have to laugh at FG gazing at their shoes feeling sorry for themselves thinking they are getting bullied with their obnoxiousness over the last few years.

Getting held to account and outboxed on governance and administration failures is part and parcel of democracy, and they're struggling badly with that reality.

yagan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Martin is closer to FG than most grassroots FFers. Look at the division in that party...stems from that IMO.
I wouldn't normally class going into coalition with other parties as a sign of 'closet' adherence to that other party's ideologies. I just think that is one of the issues FF has.

It's easier to blame all their woes on their leader rather than admit their lack of vision as a party. The last election was still their second worst result, they actually did better in 2016.

Internal sniping at the leadership from day one of this government shows there's no unity, and certainly no unifying visionaries to take over from MM.