nomdeboardie wrote: » Perhaps, though I find it hard to imagine hogging is a much bigger issue on Saturdays than Sundays, and if you mean a 50c flat fee, then hoggers would be incentivised to get the most value from their payment!
Tea drinker wrote: » Putting the paw out for more cash from the hated motorist is a bit rank
Tea drinker wrote: » You mean the bike stands?
nomdeboardie wrote: » Ah, I’ve found it on the Google Play Store now – DLR website didn’t make it clear there was an actual app to (presumably) do the equivalent of send the info by text. That’s good, though the reviews (for what they’re worth – I know the motivation to post problems is much greater than praise) are impressively negative. Also someone flags the following interesting (if true) consideration “Allows you car to be identified as soon as your time is up and so clampers can cherry pick your car for clamping...” Also apparently a monthly fee, and automatically tops itself from your bank etc.
Larbre34 wrote: » You might see things that way, I don't. I daresay a show of hands would show a big majority on my side of opinion too. There are more important things to promoting our social interaction and community life than monetising every inch of the public realm.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » If anything, parking is enabling people who have no community connection to come into the area. Lack of parking is far more encouraging to social interaction and community life.
Larbre34 wrote: » Your inflexible zealotry against private cars is exposed there. That could be the outright daftest thing I've ever read on boards. Either your family and friends all, to a man, live a few minutes from you, or you have none at all.
ted1 wrote: » In fairness his post was in reply to some crazy statements from yourself.
Larbre34 wrote: » I guess thats one point of view. Another is that with half the Country on salary life support, its anti-social and anti-Community. The parking regime in DLR County was originally brought in to tackle commuter parking clogging up business and residential areas, often dangerously. This meant the hours of operation were matched to the hours of incoming commuter demand, 8am-7pm, Monday to Friday in most places, Monday to Saturday in busier shopping towns to keep spaces turning over. It seems to me, if the parking regime is now being increasingly used only to raise revenue, that it has exceeded its original raison d'etre, and the local authority and its members need to be asked to justify where traffic management ends and interference in ordinary social and community life begins. Just my opinion.
Larbre34 wrote: » Sorry Ted, you'd have to walk me through how anything I said about this is, in any way, crazy. I'm genuinely at a loss.
Blut2 wrote: » If you were part of the local community you wouldn't need to drive there in the first place Larbre34. Most of the actual locals in the community where this parking is under discussion are in favour of it. Because the parking is used by people who drive from further afield, who aren't part of the local community, and just fills the area with traffic.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » This might come as a bit of a shock to you, but there are other ways to travel to DL and indeed other places than by private car.
pm1977x wrote: » I live locally, sometimes I walk, sometimes I drive in because the weather is awful or I may want to buy something and stick it in the boot, many of my relatives are from around DL and would use a mix of walking/driving/cycling so I don't think your assertion is correct. I'm not happy about the extra charges and the confusion around bank holidays but that said on local forums there's endless rants about the cost of on-street parking driving business out of the town, yet if you drive down there most days you'll be hard pushed to find a space without going up side streets or doing a few laps so it seems the majority will just suck it up and pay (myself included).
duploelabs wrote: » DLRCC need to decide if they're getting revenue from rates or parking. but it can't be both. Their rate values on George's street are ridiculously overpriced and that's highlighted by the multitude of boarded up retail properties
ted1 wrote: » Nope. You need to Ask Dunnes or Covid about the boarded up units. It’s nothing to do with rates. I may be wrong but I believe that At the moment rates are frozen
Larbre34 wrote: » You're right about Rates and increasing parking charges/ hours of operation as being a double whammy. However, the Council don't set the rateable valuation, its a national body and not one that is democratically accountable at that. However the Council can and should consider the overall burden on high street businesses of those factors that count against them, including the Rates burden and the customer deterrent of street parking charges.
duploelabs wrote: » They're frozen because of covid, also the deterioration of georges street due to rates is decades old
Awaaf wrote: » Ok so doc is very clear (if silly) on bank hols. In the Harbour as per Appendix II you can **** right off and must pay regardless every day of the year. In the rest of DLR you get to go free on (randomly) 3 of the 9 BHs i.e. St. Patrick’s Day 17th March, Christmas Day 25th December and St. Stephen’s Day 26th December
AndrewJRenko wrote: » ... The app is advertised on signs at every parking place and on every parking meter. But christ, some people are determined to play the victim card at every angle. Wardens can no more 'cherry pick' your vehicle than at present, as they have to be AT your vehicle to ticket it. DLR doesn't have clampers unfortunately. It does have a 15 minute grace period at the end of the ticket expiry though. So it's really fairly hard to get yourself ticketed. ...
ted1 wrote: » Plenty of shoppers go shopping without cars. Also parking charges discourages people from parking all day and hence helps ensure there is parking for customers that are too reluctant to travel anywhere with the car. You need me to get your head out of the sand when you think drivers are the only shoppers.
Larbre34 wrote: » I agree with turning over spaces, but you need to incentivise people to come and use the shops, maybe 2 or 3 hours free then charge thereafter. Of course drivers are not the only shoppers, but ask Dundrum about the correlation between spending and driving and you'll see why it can't be dismissed.
nomdeboardie wrote: » I'll have a look next time I'm there, but was limited to searching online (inc zooming in on Google Street View images) when I was writing. And yes, I tend to whine from all available angles about parking charges :pac: Re the 'cherry picking' hypothesis (not mine): I assume the idea is that the wardens would have access to the database of what's-parked-where-and-for-how-long-paid, so could nip around to ticket at expiry (or expiry-plus-15mins)
Blut2 wrote: » That would be Dundrum, which charges a minimum 3euro for parking regardless of how long you're popping in for? ie, the complete opposite of free parking? I would say that rather supports the argument that charging for parking is the best way to go to maximize the use of parking spaces for businesses.
Larbre34 wrote: » Yes, but the difference is, you don't get fined 40 quid if you stray over the next hour or whatever, like if you run into someone and go for a cuppa, you just pay an extra quid on departure There is a really oppressive sense to the enforcement regime in towns like Dun Laoghaire. Its not the principle of paying that people have an objection to, if they are guaranteed a convenient space, it's the feeling that they are pinned down to a time and punitively punished for no good reason. Its anti social and it reduces impulse shopping.
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